All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug
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On DMac-maybe with an outside back it is different but if I'd gone to the less physical Japanese competition a year before the RWC I wouldn't fancy my chances breaking back into the side.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
On DMac-maybe with an outside back it is different but if I'd gone to the less physical Japanese competition a year before the RWC I wouldn't fancy my chances breaking back into the side.
Every player is different, but I remember when Rangi went to Japan after the 03 RWC and missed the whole 2004 AB season. Came back for 05 and many thought he wouldn’t make it back into the ABs, but in my opinion that stint away was great for him and he came back a better player. Made it into the ABs for the big Lions series and played very well.
Other players who have had stints overseas have had mixed returns.
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Or not in this case re a stage audience.
It is a TV product, sure, but I wonder how many of us watch it completely "live"?
I'm usually delayed by a few hours at least. Out for dinner, cooking dinner, or whatever. 1900 to 1930 is a fucked time to have it on for me. I often watch the next morning. I think that, like most of you, I would be the stereotype (age, gender, etc) for a rugby watcher in NZ and should be the target demographic but we get ignored as fans.
If they want to get new young fans (and players) then they need to address the balance between who watches, when and how they are dictated to by broadcasters.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
On DMac-maybe with an outside back it is different but if I'd gone to the less physical Japanese competition a year before the RWC I wouldn't fancy my chances breaking back into the side.
Every player is different, but I remember when Rangi went to Japan after the 03 RWC and missed the whole 2004 AB season. Came back for 05 and many thought he wouldn’t make it back into the ABs, but in my opinion that stint away was great for him and he came back a better player. Made it into the ABs for the big Lions series and played very well.
Other players who have had stints overseas have had mixed returns.
@act-crusader yes I was thinking of Rangi as the exception (and BBBR as the worry) but if at 10, he could get more experience than in NZ at least in the ABs.. and maybe that is his best position longterm.
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
they don't get me at 5pm either, tough time to drop everything and sit on the couch.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
shit, me too. would jump at the chance. Reckon you'd come close to filling EP if you cut prices a bit, and played at 230pm Saturday. Never happening though - it's a tv product that happens to have a stage audience
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Both of the Aussie viewers will be able to record or stream surely?
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Both of the Aussie viewers will be able to record or stream surely?
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
be honest, so is 1230
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@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Unfortunately you won’t get the Aussie TV audience at 12:30 pm on a Saturday afternoon.
Do we get them live anyway? And at 5:30?
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Yeah, at least that is pub o’clock for most Aussies.
They are allowed into pubs at the moment?
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They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
TB audiences can watch when ever they bloody want. Recorded, streaming, whatever. The rugby is better in the afternoon, conditions are better, it's better for families. Night rugby is shit for me. I'll lie on the sofa and watch it but I generally record and watch when it suits me anyway. They shouldn't be catering to a TB audience, but a real one. Everybody has the capability to watch when they want now.
@snowy said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
They could try playing the matches in the afternoon if they want crowds. Just an idea. GOM. I'd be going if they did.
TB audiences can watch when ever they bloody want. Recorded, streaming, whatever. The rugby is better in the afternoon, conditions are better, it's better for families. Night rugby is shit for me. I'll lie on the sofa and watch it but I generally record and watch when it suits me anyway. They shouldn't be catering to a TB audience, but a real one. Everybody has the capability to watch when they want now.
The upcoming Wallabies v Boks in Brisbane is a 3pm Saturday kick off which is great, assuming it goes ahead.
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A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
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A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
nailed it. Are you going?
surprised there aren't some 'family' specials later on - $200+ is a lot for a casual fan to go. Also, adults start at 14 now for the ABs... which gets even pricier.
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@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
nailed it. Are you going?
surprised there aren't some 'family' specials later on - $200+ is a lot for a casual fan to go. Also, adults start at 14 now for the ABs... which gets even pricier.
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@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
nailed it. Are you going?
surprised there aren't some 'family' specials later on - $200+ is a lot for a casual fan to go. Also, adults start at 14 now for the ABs... which gets even pricier.
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
nailed it. Are you going?
surprised there aren't some 'family' specials later on - $200+ is a lot for a casual fan to go. Also, adults start at 14 now for the ABs... which gets even pricier.
And many areas on the sides don't offer junior prices anyway, from what I could see.
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A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
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A big crowd last week and a small one this week. The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
I was expecting some specials late in the week though
One other issue is Test allocation. I go to almost all 1st class rugby matches at Eden Park since I returned to NZ in 2013. I've seen the Boks once in that time (2013). If there 's one team that's over exposed in this area its the Wallabies
@duluth said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
The lesson is moving a Test at short notice and playing the same team back to back has an effect on demand.
Agree with everything else that you said - but the lesson to me is - if you do this, play it at a time that is more accessible to people from out of town, families, kids, enable school groups to go, etc. The people that didn't go last week because it was a different demographic.
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@duluth would this be the norm if we had a 'national stadium' as proposed several years ago?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
would this be the norm if we had a 'national stadium' as proposed several years ago?
Late change of date/venue makes this a bit different. If all big matches were moved to EP you'd have travel packages etc and people making plans weeks out etc
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
would this be the norm if we had a 'national stadium' as proposed several years ago?
Late change of date/venue makes this a bit different. If all big matches were moved to EP you'd have travel packages etc and people making plans weeks out etc
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Geez - do posters realise it is a 23 player game these days and the All Blacks learned over a decade ago that a lack of a plan B at RWC could have them out. Fern posters have gone on and on about not having plan B's too,
So, the current coaches are addressing this by training for scenarios where they lose a key player through injury or a card early, and making sure that the players slotting into another position can do so relatively seamlessly. Seems intelligent to me and a big tick for this regime. You can only have 8 on the bench. I have assumed that Jordie is seen as potential cover at 12 this week, else they would have most likely promoted Quinn Tupaea. There will be a planned scenario for the loss of any player.
The AB's will likely have a pecking order of 4 players minimum for any jersey number, and will do their best to build experience of each of those candidates in that jersey within the RWC leadup campaign. I see nothing wrong with that, and am happy for us not to be winning by 50 points with out best 15 playing 80 minutes every week, if we are progressing forward our troops for the RWC battle. Then, they will pick the best 23 players to deal with whatever the opposition are expected to throw at them that week, and will continue their admirable philosophy (big tick for current regime) of not picking players who are injured, but seeing it as an opportunity to further develop an understudy in preparation for what may come.
All these posts wanting Foster to be dumped for not keeping players in their preferred jersey number at all times would seem to based on nasty agendas and not on reason....
@arhs said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 2 Eden Park 14th Aug:
Geez - do posters realise it is a 23 player game these days and the All Blacks learned over a decade ago that a lack of a plan B at RWC could have them out. Fern posters have gone on and on about not having plan B's too,
So, the current coaches are addressing this by training for scenarios where they lose a key player through injury or a card early, and making sure that the players slotting into another position can do so relatively seamlessly. Seems intelligent to me and a big tick for this regime. You can only have 8 on the bench. I have assumed that Jordie is seen as potential cover at 12 this week, else they would have most likely promoted Quinn Tupaea. There will be a planned scenario for the loss of any player.
The AB's will likely have a pecking order of 4 players minimum for any jersey number, and will do their best to build experience of each of those candidates in that jersey within the RWC leadup campaign. I see nothing wrong with that, and am happy for us not to be winning by 50 points with out best 15 playing 80 minutes every week, if we are progressing forward our troops for the RWC battle. Then, they will pick the best 23 players to deal with whatever the opposition are expected to throw at them that week, and will continue their admirable philosophy (big tick for current regime) of not picking players who are injured, but seeing it as an opportunity to further develop an understudy in preparation for what may come.
All these posts wanting Foster to be dumped for not keeping players in their preferred jersey number at all times would seem to based on nasty agendas and not on reason....
Except they're not doing this. They're picking Jordie Barrett because he deserves to be picked as a fullback on form, but then they also have to pick Beauden, McKenzie and Mo'unga, and Jordan. So then they're playing him on the wing because he 'deserves' a spot. The bench balance is fucked with 2 Barretts there.
The boks with 6 forwards on the bench in the WC were seeing it as a 23 man game, our dullards are not.
