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    I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.

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    • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

      dead set, if the Wallabies can't beat that team tehn they may as well pack it in for good.

      Best hooker? not there
      Best lock? Not there
      Best player and also best 9? Not there
      Best 10? Not there

      3 of those are our most influential players.

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      @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

      dead set, if the Wallabies can't beat that team tehn they may as well pack it in for good.

      Best hooker? not there
      Best lock? Not there
      Best player and also best 9? Not there
      Best 10? Not there

      3 of those are our most influential players.

      Is Retallick not travelling? I thought only Whitelock was remaining behind?

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      • CrucialC Crucial

        I know this has been mentioned before but some of these players need some basic birds and bees lessons.

        You all know when the scheduled break in the pro year is. Time your rooting accordingly. Certainly not 9 months before a tournament.

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        @crucial said in All Blacks 2021:

        I know this has been mentioned before but some of these players need some basic birds and bees lessons.

        You all know when the scheduled break in the pro year is. Time your rooting accordingly. Certainly not 9 months before a tournament.

        C,mon man, a man can't go without 9 months before a 3 month rugby series (which basically it is) , the ting I am disappointed in they didn't make sure their wives were bright enough to take contraception through the required period!!!!:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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        • broughieB broughie

          @chris-b Another wee man. I think I would look a Ioane first.

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          @broughie said in All Blacks 2021:

          @chris-b Another wee man. I think I would look a Ioane first.

          Not playing much 10 in recent times. Mitch is at least in form.

          Brett Cameron has he left NZ yet? Thanks Foxy.

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            #2032

            9 - TJ. Perenara
            10 - B. Barrett
            11 - R. Ioane
            12 - D. Havili
            13 - A. Lienert-Brown
            14 - S. Reece
            15 - J. Barrett

            21 - B. Weber
            22 - D. McKenzie
            23 - B. Ennor

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            • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

              @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

              @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

              @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

              @act-crusader better captain than a few others named. Horses for courses 🤷‍♀️

              Weber has started 1 test, I can’t see how he’s even in the discussion for AB captain.

              All the other names have decent AB experience on top of their provincial/franchise captaincy.

              Tuipoluto, Scott Barrett, Beauden Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Retallick, Coles, Perenara - all played 40+ tests.

              I’d give it to Beauden Barrett. Guaranteed to start, highly likely to play 80, and has captained the ABs previously.

              Luke Whitelock captained the All Blacks in his second game.

              But he has legendary status….

              but in all seriousness that was a game not a test match and an AB lineup that had AB stalwarts like Matt Duffie, Tim Perry, Dom Bird, Sopoaga, JTA!

              Sopoaga played well in Black!

              Amazing that he only started 2 tests.

              A magnificent debut at Ellis Park in 2015 being one.

              The other being probably his worst game in black - at 10 at Suncorp in a dead rubber Bledisloe in 2017.

              Obviously a lot of focus on the Boks and Argie but i'm interested how ABs handle the Perth test. ABs often falter in these dead rubber Bledisloe tests.

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              #2033

              @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

              @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

              @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

              @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

              @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

              @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

              @act-crusader better captain than a few others named. Horses for courses 🤷‍♀️

              Weber has started 1 test, I can’t see how he’s even in the discussion for AB captain.

              All the other names have decent AB experience on top of their provincial/franchise captaincy.

              Tuipoluto, Scott Barrett, Beauden Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Retallick, Coles, Perenara - all played 40+ tests.

              I’d give it to Beauden Barrett. Guaranteed to start, highly likely to play 80, and has captained the ABs previously.

              Luke Whitelock captained the All Blacks in his second game.

              But he has legendary status….

              but in all seriousness that was a game not a test match and an AB lineup that had AB stalwarts like Matt Duffie, Tim Perry, Dom Bird, Sopoaga, JTA!

              Sopoaga played well in Black!

              Amazing that he only started 2 tests.

              A magnificent debut at Ellis Park in 2015 being one.

              The other being probably his worst game in black - at 10 at Suncorp in a dead rubber Bledisloe in 2017.

              Obviously a lot of focus on the Boks and Argie but i'm interested how ABs handle the Perth test. ABs often falter in these dead rubber Bledisloe tests.

              If his first was magnificent, and his second wasn't then you're probably right.

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              • boobooB booboo

                @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

                @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

                @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                @act-crusader better captain than a few others named. Horses for courses 🤷‍♀️

                Weber has started 1 test, I can’t see how he’s even in the discussion for AB captain.

                All the other names have decent AB experience on top of their provincial/franchise captaincy.

                Tuipoluto, Scott Barrett, Beauden Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Retallick, Coles, Perenara - all played 40+ tests.

                I’d give it to Beauden Barrett. Guaranteed to start, highly likely to play 80, and has captained the ABs previously.

                Luke Whitelock captained the All Blacks in his second game.

                But he has legendary status….

                but in all seriousness that was a game not a test match and an AB lineup that had AB stalwarts like Matt Duffie, Tim Perry, Dom Bird, Sopoaga, JTA!

                Sopoaga played well in Black!

                Amazing that he only started 2 tests.

                A magnificent debut at Ellis Park in 2015 being one.

                The other being probably his worst game in black - at 10 at Suncorp in a dead rubber Bledisloe in 2017.

                Obviously a lot of focus on the Boks and Argie but i'm interested how ABs handle the Perth test. ABs often falter in these dead rubber Bledisloe tests.

                If his first was magnificent, and his second wasn't then you're probably right.

                KiwiMurphK Online
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                KiwiMurph
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                #2034

                @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

                @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

                @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                @act-crusader better captain than a few others named. Horses for courses 🤷‍♀️

                Weber has started 1 test, I can’t see how he’s even in the discussion for AB captain.

                All the other names have decent AB experience on top of their provincial/franchise captaincy.

                Tuipoluto, Scott Barrett, Beauden Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Retallick, Coles, Perenara - all played 40+ tests.

                I’d give it to Beauden Barrett. Guaranteed to start, highly likely to play 80, and has captained the ABs previously.

                Luke Whitelock captained the All Blacks in his second game.

                But he has legendary status….

                but in all seriousness that was a game not a test match and an AB lineup that had AB stalwarts like Matt Duffie, Tim Perry, Dom Bird, Sopoaga, JTA!

                Sopoaga played well in Black!

                Amazing that he only started 2 tests.

                A magnificent debut at Ellis Park in 2015 being one.

                The other being probably his worst game in black - at 10 at Suncorp in a dead rubber Bledisloe in 2017.

                Obviously a lot of focus on the Boks and Argie but i'm interested how ABs handle the Perth test. ABs often falter in these dead rubber Bledisloe tests.

                If his first was magnificent, and his second wasn't then you're probably right.

                Haha. He also played 14 tests off the bench for the ABs which I was factoring in to the Brisbane performance.

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                • A ARHS

                  I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.

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                  #2035

                  @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                  I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.

                  As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.

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                  • boobooB booboo

                    @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                    @act-crusader better captain than a few others named. Horses for courses 🤷‍♀️

                    Weber has started 1 test, I can’t see how he’s even in the discussion for AB captain.

                    All the other names have decent AB experience on top of their provincial/franchise captaincy.

                    Tuipoluto, Scott Barrett, Beauden Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Retallick, Coles, Perenara - all played 40+ tests.

                    I’d give it to Beauden Barrett. Guaranteed to start, highly likely to play 80, and has captained the ABs previously.

                    Luke Whitelock captained the All Blacks in his second game.

                    But he has legendary status….

                    but in all seriousness that was a game not a test match and an AB lineup that had AB stalwarts like Matt Duffie, Tim Perry, Dom Bird, Sopoaga, JTA!

                    Sopoaga played well in Black!

                    Amazing that he only started 2 tests.

                    A magnificent debut at Ellis Park in 2015 being one.

                    The other being probably his worst game in black - at 10 at Suncorp in a dead rubber Bledisloe in 2017.

                    Obviously a lot of focus on the Boks and Argie but i'm interested how ABs handle the Perth test. ABs often falter in these dead rubber Bledisloe tests.

                    If his first was magnificent, and his second wasn't then you're probably right.

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                    @booboo ha i read it like that too, but went and checked as I thought he had played more than 2 tests

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                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                      @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @act-crusader better captain than a few others named. Horses for courses 🤷‍♀️

                      Weber has started 1 test, I can’t see how he’s even in the discussion for AB captain.

                      All the other names have decent AB experience on top of their provincial/franchise captaincy.

                      Tuipoluto, Scott Barrett, Beauden Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Retallick, Coles, Perenara - all played 40+ tests.

                      I’d give it to Beauden Barrett. Guaranteed to start, highly likely to play 80, and has captained the ABs previously.

                      Luke Whitelock captained the All Blacks in his second game.

                      But he has legendary status….

                      but in all seriousness that was a game not a test match and an AB lineup that had AB stalwarts like Matt Duffie, Tim Perry, Dom Bird, Sopoaga, JTA!

                      Sopoaga played well in Black!

                      Amazing that he only started 2 tests.

                      A magnificent debut at Ellis Park in 2015 being one.

                      The other being probably his worst game in black - at 10 at Suncorp in a dead rubber Bledisloe in 2017.

                      Obviously a lot of focus on the Boks and Argie but i'm interested how ABs handle the Perth test. ABs often falter in these dead rubber Bledisloe tests.

                      If his first was magnificent, and his second wasn't then you're probably right.

                      Haha. He also played 14 tests off the bench for the ABs which I was factoring in to the Brisbane performance.

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                      #2037

                      @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @gt12 said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2021:

                      @act-crusader better captain than a few others named. Horses for courses 🤷‍♀️

                      Weber has started 1 test, I can’t see how he’s even in the discussion for AB captain.

                      All the other names have decent AB experience on top of their provincial/franchise captaincy.

                      Tuipoluto, Scott Barrett, Beauden Barrett, Taylor, Savea, Retallick, Coles, Perenara - all played 40+ tests.

                      I’d give it to Beauden Barrett. Guaranteed to start, highly likely to play 80, and has captained the ABs previously.

                      Luke Whitelock captained the All Blacks in his second game.

                      But he has legendary status….

                      but in all seriousness that was a game not a test match and an AB lineup that had AB stalwarts like Matt Duffie, Tim Perry, Dom Bird, Sopoaga, JTA!

                      Sopoaga played well in Black!

                      Amazing that he only started 2 tests.

                      A magnificent debut at Ellis Park in 2015 being one.

                      The other being probably his worst game in black - at 10 at Suncorp in a dead rubber Bledisloe in 2017.

                      Obviously a lot of focus on the Boks and Argie but i'm interested how ABs handle the Perth test. ABs often falter in these dead rubber Bledisloe tests.

                      If his first was magnificent, and his second wasn't then you're probably right.

                      Haha. He also played 14 tests off the bench for the ABs which I was factoring in to the Brisbane performance.

                      Didn't read "started" 🙂

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                      • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                        @broughie said in All Blacks 2021:

                        @chris-b Another wee man. I think I would look a Ioane first.

                        Not playing much 10 in recent times. Mitch is at least in form.

                        Brett Cameron has he left NZ yet? Thanks Foxy.

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                        @act-crusader Yes noticed that he was playing 2nd five which he is not suited for. Filling a gap for the highlanders. Perhaps the AB environment would sort him out.

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                        • HoorooH Hooroo

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

                          dead set, if the Wallabies can't beat that team tehn they may as well pack it in for good.

                          Best hooker? not there
                          Best lock? Not there
                          Best player and also best 9? Not there
                          Best 10? Not there

                          3 of those are our most influential players.

                          Is Retallick not travelling? I thought only Whitelock was remaining behind?

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                          @hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:

                          @mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:

                          dead set, if the Wallabies can't beat that team tehn they may as well pack it in for good.

                          Best hooker? not there
                          Best lock? Not there
                          Best player and also best 9? Not there
                          Best 10? Not there

                          3 of those are our most influential players.

                          Is Retallick not travelling? I thought only Whitelock was remaining behind?

                          I'm very confused, I'm sure I saw Scott Barrett named?

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                            Just seen a vid of Sotutu playing ten for Marist colts. He looked pretty handy.

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                              Looking forward to seeing how Beauden goes at 10. It's a good opportunity for him to put some pressure on Mo'unga and also show if he still has it.

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                              • broughieB broughie

                                @act-crusader Yes noticed that he was playing 2nd five which he is not suited for. Filling a gap for the highlanders. Perhaps the AB environment would sort him out.

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                                @broughie said in All Blacks 2021:

                                @act-crusader Yes noticed that he was playing 2nd five which he is not suited for. Filling a gap for the highlanders. Perhaps the AB environment would sort him out.

                                And played more 15 than 10 during SRA and SRTT this year.

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                                • ACT CrusaderA ACT Crusader

                                  9 - TJ. Perenara
                                  10 - B. Barrett
                                  11 - R. Ioane
                                  12 - D. Havili
                                  13 - A. Lienert-Brown
                                  14 - S. Reece
                                  15 - J. Barrett

                                  21 - B. Weber
                                  22 - D. McKenzie
                                  23 - B. Ennor

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                                  @act-crusader said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  9 - TJ. Perenara
                                  10 - B. Barrett
                                  11 - R. Ioane
                                  12 - D. Havili
                                  13 - A. Lienert-Brown
                                  14 - S. Reece
                                  15 - J. Barrett

                                  21 - B. Weber
                                  22 - D. McKenzie
                                  23 - B. Ennor

                                  Jordan will be in the 23 IMO.

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                                  • boobooB booboo

                                    @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.

                                    As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.

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                                    @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                                    I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.

                                    As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.

                                    I agree Hunt is next best as a starter but thought they might break in someone slowly with a longer term view. I think Plummer has improved a lot this year. Should be playing 10 all the time I feel.

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                                    • DiceD Dice

                                      Looking forward to seeing how Beauden goes at 10. It's a good opportunity for him to put some pressure on Mo'unga and also show if he still has it.

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                                      @dice said in All Blacks 2021:

                                      Looking forward to seeing how Beauden goes at 10. It's a good opportunity for him to put some pressure on Mo'unga and also show if he still has it.

                                      It's a shit opportunity. Best lock and best halfback missing in a dead rubber. We also use these games to give too many fringe players a go.

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                                      • A ARHS

                                        @booboo said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        @arhs said in All Blacks 2021:

                                        I expected to see Harry Plummer added to the squad. Maybe good for Ofa T to be training over there if level 4 continues in Auckland.

                                        As 10? Ehh... like him but not sure he's the next best 10 option. Hunt for me.

                                        I agree Hunt is next best as a starter but thought they might break in someone slowly with a longer term view. I think Plummer has improved a lot this year. Should be playing 10 all the time I feel.

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                                        @arhs I don't think Plummer comes even close; not even as an apprentice.

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                                          You gotta love the people that decry the current playing squad as vastly inferior to years gone past but have obviously just memory blocked that era where Weepu, Cowan and Ellis were the best halfbacks in the country.

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