Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)
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@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
Put it together with other times in the jersey pretty easy if you open your eyes. -
@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
L&P is still a thing and is "world famous in My Zullund eh?" (Slogan from an ad campaign 20 odd years ago.) Can still get it in the NZ section at Coles (in Aus).
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@tim said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris Big test for Retallick too. Can he step up?
I want to see Retallick in the Boks game. The question marks are not about his ability in the open but can he be effective playing tight - matching and dominating his opposites. He carried an injury into the World Cup but was one of the disappointments.
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Does anyone know if this game's a sellout?
@canes4life said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Does anyone know if this game's a sellout?
It was initially but with the date move and change from a Sat to Sun many have returned tickets so probably some seats available
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@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
Yeah but it's L&P - I keep reading your name as Land Pee which is very confusing and way too lowbrow for this esteemed forum.
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@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
Yeah but it's L&P - I keep reading your name as Land Pee which is very confusing and way too lowbrow for this esteemed forum.
@delicatessen I know it's "L&P" which is what I wanted but it won't take an ampersand in a username ...
I rather like "WorldFamousInNZ" but I might be accused of being up myself :winking_face: so will think about less grandiose alternatives
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@delicatessen I know it's "L&P" which is what I wanted but it won't take an ampersand in a username ...
I rather like "WorldFamousInNZ" but I might be accused of being up myself :winking_face: so will think about less grandiose alternatives
@landp
fair enough. LnP? Dunno. -
lets be honest, NZ is in a no win situation in this test.
We win, and everyone laments how shit Aus were and we shoulda won by more.
We lose and Fozzie is shit and cant believe they re-appointed him.
For me, its the tests v Arg, but more SA that I'm interested in, just like other teams like to measure themselves against us, I think we always like to measure ourselves against SA, and thier legend has certainly grown since winning the RWC and thier absence last year.
I'd like us to win in a 32-25 type match as we build toward Aregntina and SA
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
lets be honest, NZ is in a no win situation in this test.
We win, and everyone laments how shit Aus were and we shoulda won by more.
We lose and Fozzie is shit and cant believe they re-appointed him.
For me, its the tests v Arg, but more SA that I'm interested in, just like other teams like to measure themselves against us, I think we always like to measure ourselves against SA, and thier legend has certainly grown since winning the RWC and thier absence last year.
I'd like us to win in a 32-25 type match as we build toward Aregntina and SA
If you have to build towards ARG then your
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@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
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@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
L&P is still a thing and is "world famous in My Zullund eh?" (Slogan from an ad campaign 20 odd years ago.) Can still get it in the NZ section at Coles (in Aus).
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo Yeah, well I won't mock the accent as I developed a fair old kiwi twang to avoid the piss-taking at school ... like apparently we say "fark" as opposed to "f*ck" (I'm told a bit remains, mainly wore off after years working all over)
Does Lemon and Paeroa even exist these days, or is that one for the "Old guys discuss old stuff thread"?
L&P is still a thing and is "world famous in My Zullund eh?" (Slogan from an ad campaign 20 odd years ago.) Can still get it in the NZ section at Coles (in Aus).
It doesn't taste the same though does it? I tried one last year and it just didn't taste the same (although my tastebuds are unreliable).
Yeah you can buy it at supermarkets and it is on tap at the Auckland Airport lounge. -
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
Yeah, the ABs have seemed to operate a "credit-in-the-bank" kind of system for ages, or JB would have been axed quite a few times. Players who don't show what the coaches are looking for seem to get eased out ... like Josh Ioane, Sotuto I suspect (with work-ons). AB squad selection has always looked okay to me, maybe if anything a bit slow to drop a few.
It's not exactly like Eddie Jones who pulled a young lock in his first game before half-time ... never to play for England again? A few similar examples with Eddie.
The core issues since maybe 2017 and Shag have more been a lack of selection consistency (combinations cannot develop) and too much flexibility trying to cram all the Skillz(TM) into one side (playing people out of position). Really these seem more coaching/strategy issues.
Team for this game looks good and selection approach pretty coherent ... again :astonished_face:
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@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
Yeah, the ABs have seemed to operate a "credit-in-the-bank" kind of system for ages, or JB would have been axed quite a few times. Players who don't show what the coaches are looking for seem to get eased out ... like Josh Ioane, Sotuto I suspect (with work-ons). AB squad selection has always looked okay to me, maybe if anything a bit slow to drop a few.
It's not exactly like Eddie Jones who pulled a young lock in his first game before half-time ... never to play for England again? A few similar examples with Eddie.
The core issues since maybe 2017 and Shag have more been a lack of selection consistency (combinations cannot develop) and too much flexibility trying to cram all the Skillz(TM) into one side (playing people out of position). Really these seem more coaching/strategy issues.
Team for this game looks good and selection approach pretty coherent ... again :astonished_face:
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
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@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
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@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
Sione Lauaki (RIP)? Did he every play again after that game vs Oz in 2008?
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@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
@toddy said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
Yup, good call, just going back a few years now.
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@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
Sione Lauaki (RIP)? Did he every play again after that game vs Oz in 2008?
@landp Samoa? 17 games though.. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2459972/Lauaki-can-still-be-a-force-in-All-Blacks
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Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
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@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
lets be honest, NZ is in a no win situation in this test.
We win, and everyone laments how shit Aus were and we shoulda won by more.
We lose and Fozzie is shit and cant believe they re-appointed him.
For me, its the tests v Arg, but more SA that I'm interested in, just like other teams like to measure themselves against us, I think we always like to measure ourselves against SA, and thier legend has certainly grown since winning the RWC and thier absence last year.
I'd like us to win in a 32-25 type match as we build toward Aregntina and SA
If you have to build towards ARG then your
@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
