Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth)
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@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
Yeah, the ABs have seemed to operate a "credit-in-the-bank" kind of system for ages, or JB would have been axed quite a few times. Players who don't show what the coaches are looking for seem to get eased out ... like Josh Ioane, Sotuto I suspect (with work-ons). AB squad selection has always looked okay to me, maybe if anything a bit slow to drop a few.
It's not exactly like Eddie Jones who pulled a young lock in his first game before half-time ... never to play for England again? A few similar examples with Eddie.
The core issues since maybe 2017 and Shag have more been a lack of selection consistency (combinations cannot develop) and too much flexibility trying to cram all the Skillz(TM) into one side (playing people out of position). Really these seem more coaching/strategy issues.
Team for this game looks good and selection approach pretty coherent ... again :astonished_face:
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@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
Yeah, the ABs have seemed to operate a "credit-in-the-bank" kind of system for ages, or JB would have been axed quite a few times. Players who don't show what the coaches are looking for seem to get eased out ... like Josh Ioane, Sotuto I suspect (with work-ons). AB squad selection has always looked okay to me, maybe if anything a bit slow to drop a few.
It's not exactly like Eddie Jones who pulled a young lock in his first game before half-time ... never to play for England again? A few similar examples with Eddie.
The core issues since maybe 2017 and Shag have more been a lack of selection consistency (combinations cannot develop) and too much flexibility trying to cram all the Skillz(TM) into one side (playing people out of position). Really these seem more coaching/strategy issues.
Team for this game looks good and selection approach pretty coherent ... again :astonished_face:
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
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@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
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@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
Sione Lauaki (RIP)? Did he every play again after that game vs Oz in 2008?
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@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
@toddy said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
Yup, good call, just going back a few years now.
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@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
Sione Lauaki (RIP)? Did he every play again after that game vs Oz in 2008?
@landp Samoa? 17 games though.. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2459972/Lauaki-can-still-be-a-force-in-All-Blacks
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Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
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@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
lets be honest, NZ is in a no win situation in this test.
We win, and everyone laments how shit Aus were and we shoulda won by more.
We lose and Fozzie is shit and cant believe they re-appointed him.
For me, its the tests v Arg, but more SA that I'm interested in, just like other teams like to measure themselves against us, I think we always like to measure ourselves against SA, and thier legend has certainly grown since winning the RWC and thier absence last year.
I'd like us to win in a 32-25 type match as we build toward Aregntina and SA
If you have to build towards ARG then your
@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
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@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
@toddy said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
started against the Bokke, was our starting lock that season, left behind to bulk up at the end of season tour before the laws changed in the off season and speed was suddenly emphasised again.
Seemed to have an aversion to hitting rucks, too -
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp yeah I'm trying to think who was so mediocre they never played again in the ABs..
..can't be Laumape...maybe Fifita? Even that is stretching it..
Did Colin Farrell ever play again ?
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Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
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Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
Bryne Evans, not Nick Evans right? I have zero memory of him, had to google him tbh.
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@nostrildamus said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@booboo said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@machpants said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@chris said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
This game will tells us a few things,
BB is he still want we remember hopefully he is.
Weber is he really an AB HB
JB is he our best FB option.
How important is Whitelock as a lock and a leader.If the First 3 are no then we badly need Smith,Mounga and we will need Whitelock back for SA.
I disagree, it is just one test, a massively changed side. It's not like the side with Smith, Mo'unga and Whitelock looked that great vs Fiji or a fair bit of Bled 1. This game, combined with the 2 argentina games, might answer some of those questions. That's when we might have a good idea, one test is never enough of a sample
Yes and no it will give us some idea,I think we all know rugby enough to see through the one test scenario.
Since when? One bad test is usually enough to write off a player.
There was that most recent RWC game against England .. and most of those players are still with us. Plus I think JB has had a few howlers early on...
Yeah, the ABs have seemed to operate a "credit-in-the-bank" kind of system for ages, or JB would have been axed quite a few times. Players who don't show what the coaches are looking for seem to get eased out ... like Josh Ioane, Sotuto I suspect (with work-ons). AB squad selection has always looked okay to me, maybe if anything a bit slow to drop a few.
It's not exactly like Eddie Jones who pulled a young lock in his first game before half-time ... never to play for England again? A few similar examples with Eddie.
The core issues since maybe 2017 and Shag have more been a lack of selection consistency (combinations cannot develop) and too much flexibility trying to cram all the Skillz(TM) into one side (playing people out of position). Really these seem more coaching/strategy issues.
Team for this game looks good and selection approach pretty coherent ... again :astonished_face:
@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
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@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
Bryne Evans, not Nick Evans right? I have zero memory of him, had to google him tbh.
@landp said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@crucial said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
Benson Stanley, Jarrod Hoeata, Afeaki (half a game), Saili, Halai, Bird, Tom Taylor, Pulu, Moala, Ngatai, Broadhurst, Tamanivalu, Parsons, Duffie, Hemopo, TTT, Proctor, Evans, J Ioane, PUJ, Cameron....all for various reasons very short career ABs. A few definite discards (Saili, Halai, Broadhurst, Hemopo, Proctor, Evans come to mind)
We may even see some recent ones discarded as a core squad is settled pre-RWC. Maybe Grace, Christie, Sotutu, Ennor, Aumua...?
Bryne Evans, not Nick Evans right? I have zero memory of him, had to google him tbh.
Gareth. All 25 minutes of him.
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@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
Yeah, had forgotten. Thought there was a gap but yes, he got his head knock in the NPC straight after his AB debut.
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@toddy said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@nostrildamus Isaac Ross?
started against the Bokke, was our starting lock that season, left behind to bulk up at the end of season tour before the laws changed in the off season and speed was suddenly emphasised again.
Seemed to have an aversion to hitting rucks, too@nzzp Ross was an interesting one, I saw him up close at a game up here, front on looked like a huge unit with wide shoulders, but obviously wasnt a huge unit.
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@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
@yeahtheboys said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@landp who was that lock out of interest? That’s so Eddie
I'll post a link when I remember/find the name. I googled "Eddie Jones drops" and got about 50 million hits :face_with_tears_of_joy: :face_with_tears_of_joy:
To be fair, he normally lets them finish the game or their 60 minutes before he drops them after their England debut ... probably goes like "Nah mate, you're not what I'm after, see ya"
"Unique" is the word that comes mind ... but he has a razor sharp rugby brain.
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Recent 1 match All Blacks - missing last year I think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_national_rugby_union_players
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@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
@taniwharugby said in Wallabies vs All Blacks 3 (Perth):
@mikethesnow but they present a different challenge to Aus, plus, beat us last year...
@Crucial Broadhurst had to retire due to concussion didn't he? Don't think he was discarded
If they come within 10 pts this year then they’ll have done well/you’ve shit the bed.
They’re really not that good
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Hope there is not a second shock result this weekend. Hard to believe Canada's second stringers convincingly beat USA last night in the World Cup qualifier. But it goes to show that anything can happen.
Not sure why Australia is being written off when AB's have so many first stringers out and they are playing a team with a huge home crowd advantage. It will be great merit if they win convincingly.
