Black Caps - Bangladesh tour 2021
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
You're definition of legend is obviously a lot broader and more generous than mine.
His mullet was sensational, and gets legendary status
Seriously, though, he was a key cog in our team for a few years. Did plenty, but not sure was a 'legend'.
Well he was an automatic pick in the test team ( where his numbers are still good, quite Stokes like in fact although he’s overrated ) but then again his competition for that All Rounder spot was Santner or Mitchell….both kinda uninspiring alternatives.
With who we have as cattle in the most important format of all it wouldn’t be fair on other teams if Paddles, Cainsy or Dan the Man played in this era.
Without actually checking, I'd suspect his numbers were much better in NZ than abroad. As for his place in the test team, he was very lucky to make the WTC finals team, IMHO Patel deserved it more; he can hold a bat and his bowling represents a point of difference from the seam attack, a genuine wicket taking spinner
As discussed at length on here there were 10 players absolutely locked in, whoever was 11th was gonna be a step down.
I’m not sure a guy with just a single 50 across ALL formats can “hold a bat” so that’s not much of an argument. Also is his spinning really that good or only good compared to what we’ve had before ? Two “Michelle’s” indicate he’s probably worth another go I guess.
Yeah a bit light in the batting. But Colin's average over the last year or so must be dire anyway. Patel took his fair share of the wickets in the two lead up tests, and got a score as well IRRC. I know the English comms love his game because it's well suited to their conditions. But mentally he just isn't there right now
I guess the question is if Jamieson is a true all rounder and if he bats seven then does Patel get in ? Blundell should walk into six with no trouble now that Watling has gone. If all that comes to pass then maybe CDGH ( respective batting and bowling figures getting worse ) drops out. 7 Jamieson 8 Southee 9 Wagner 10 Patel 11 Boult.
The answer is, he isn't.
He's a bowler who can a bat a bit, maybe now transitioning to a bowling allrounder - with elevated current test batting stats due to a good start.
He's had a 7 year FC career with a highest score of 67. Albeit he 'looks' better than that.
He did score a hundred in one of those non-FC 12 or 15 a side warmup games against England back in 2018. But it was a blast a century job, like off 60 or 70 balls.
He'd get nose-bleeds at 7. Made even worse in that proposed 7 to 11 by being backed up at 8 by Southee who is also near nose-bleed territory when as high as 8.
@rapido It will be extremely handy if Ravindra can be good enough to hold down that 7 test spot as both a batsman and spinner. That would strengthen us from the team that won the WTC.
Jamieson at 8, Southee at 9, Wagner at 10, Boult at 11 is pretty much everyone at their level of competence and no absolute rabbits.
Nicholls and Young are going to need to step up to cover Rossco pretty shortly. We'll hopefully get at least two more years from Wags.
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@rapido It will be extremely handy if Ravindra can be good enough to hold down that 7 test spot as both a batsman and spinner. That would strengthen us from the team that won the WTC.
Jamieson at 8, Southee at 9, Wagner at 10, Boult at 11 is pretty much everyone at their level of competence and no absolute rabbits.
Nicholls and Young are going to need to step up to cover Rossco pretty shortly. We'll hopefully get at least two more years from Wags.
@chris-b said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@rapido It will be extremely handy if Ravindra can be good enough to hold down that 7 test spot as both a batsman and spinner. That would strengthen us from the team that won the WTC.
Yes, but I would bat him in the top 6 and have Blundell at 7. The message should be 100% clear to him, the media, fans that he is selected primarily as a batsman, not as a specialist spinner. Because that is a thankless task on modern NZ wickets that no youngster executing his secondary skill should feel too much pressure heaped on him for.
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@rapido It will be extremely handy if Ravindra can be good enough to hold down that 7 test spot as both a batsman and spinner. That would strengthen us from the team that won the WTC.
Jamieson at 8, Southee at 9, Wagner at 10, Boult at 11 is pretty much everyone at their level of competence and no absolute rabbits.
Nicholls and Young are going to need to step up to cover Rossco pretty shortly. We'll hopefully get at least two more years from Wags.
@chris-b
I think Ravindra might be a chance for the Indian test tour in November, if he goes OK in Pakistan ODIs. He might get some Plunket Shield before then, but early season wickets ....
At this stage I'm not sure how they will balance the team for that tour. A functioning CdG would have been extremely handy to a balanced team, but I think we can put a line through that, plus his batting v spin probably reduced the true value his 'on paper' batting balance anyway.
IMO. The best NZ attack for that tour would be 2 seamers plus the 2 spinners (Patel and Sommerville) plus the allrounder CDG.
That's now a no-no.
What are the alternatives?
- Mitchell straight swap for CdG
- Ravindra for CdG, and retain an extra one of the 4 seamers (play 3), don't play Sommerville.
- Play an extra specialist batsman at 6 (Young) and make do with 4 bowlers plus Kane.
I think Ravindra is the real deal, but that would be one hell of an introduction.
I'd be OK with any of those 3 choices. I'm wondering if I rate Sommerville more highly than the selectors.
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@chris-b
I think Ravindra might be a chance for the Indian test tour in November, if he goes OK in Pakistan ODIs. He might get some Plunket Shield before then, but early season wickets ....
At this stage I'm not sure how they will balance the team for that tour. A functioning CdG would have been extremely handy to a balanced team, but I think we can put a line through that, plus his batting v spin probably reduced the true value his 'on paper' batting balance anyway.
IMO. The best NZ attack for that tour would be 2 seamers plus the 2 spinners (Patel and Sommerville) plus the allrounder CDG.
That's now a no-no.
What are the alternatives?
- Mitchell straight swap for CdG
- Ravindra for CdG, and retain an extra one of the 4 seamers (play 3), don't play Sommerville.
- Play an extra specialist batsman at 6 (Young) and make do with 4 bowlers plus Kane.
I think Ravindra is the real deal, but that would be one hell of an introduction.
I'd be OK with any of those 3 choices. I'm wondering if I rate Sommerville more highly than the selectors.
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@nzzp Ravindra just needs to keep his wicket and rotate the strike to Allen when he’s in this form.
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Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?
NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now
@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?
NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now
Well Allen has been batting like that in the three games he has played. But he got out cheaply in the last two, he is very much like McCullum in that he'll either come off big or get out for not much.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?
NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now
Well Allen has been batting like that in the three games he has played. But he got out cheaply in the last two, he is very much like McCullum in that he'll either come off big or get out for not much.
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@nzzp said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Jesus, Finn Allen just stepped inside a good length ball and smoked it for 6. Where has this hitting been all series?
NZ 54/0 after 5.2, and 100 is surely on now
Well Allen has been batting like that in the three games he has played. But he got out cheaply in the last two, he is very much like McCullum in that he'll either come off big or get out for not much.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Time for CdG to have a big innings.
that's a good start! Here for a good time, not a long time
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Lol Nasum has gotten CdG out 4 times for 0 runs. Talk about making someone your bitch.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Time for CdG to have a big innings.
Time for CDG to be put out to pasture, I suspect playing with ten players is better value. I could care less that he once was a "cog", He hasn't been for a while and now is as someone said earlier the new foodbill. arghh... sorry drunk grumpy old man comment
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Time for CdG to have a big innings.
Time for CDG to be put out to pasture, I suspect playing with ten players is better value. I could care less that he once was a "cog", He hasn't been for a while and now is as someone said earlier the new foodbill. arghh... sorry drunk grumpy old man comment
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Bangladesh:
Time for CdG to have a big innings.
Time for CDG to be put out to pasture, I suspect playing with ten players is better value. I could care less that he once was a "cog", He hasn't been for a while and now is as someone said earlier the new foodbill. arghh... sorry drunk grumpy old man comment
Blistering hot take pal
