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@mn5 said in Trans in sport:
@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport:
@mn5 Kid Chocolate. He’s mythic.
Sardiñas, also nicknamed The Cuban Bon Bon, learned how to fight by watching old fight films in Cuba. He later sparred with boxers such as Benny Leonard and Jack Johnson, all world champions, before beginning an amateur boxing career. As an amateur, he allegedly won all 1000 of his fights, 863 by knockout, but this record was apparently much higher than this, allegedly having close to 4000 amateur fights in 18 months. Sardiñas had no fear and would actively engage in fights outside the ring with anyone who wanted it.
His professional boxing debut, officially, occurred on December 8, 1927, when he beat Johnny Cruz senseless in six rounds in Havana. Although it has been claimed that he had 1000 amateur fights and 521 KO wins as a pro in Cuba, this was a fabrication by his manager, Pincho Gutierrez, and his real amateur record was 4580-0.
4580-0 ??????????
Yeah I’m calling utter bullshit on that. Wikipedia ain’t always correct.
I will freely admit fighters did it a hell of a lot tougher in the dark old days ( which is why I admire Jim Jeffries, Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey amongst others ) but do the maths on that over a period of 18 months.
It's only seven fights a day. Every day.
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@antipodean said in Trans in sport:
@mn5 said in Trans in sport:
@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport:
@mn5 Kid Chocolate. He’s mythic.
Sardiñas, also nicknamed The Cuban Bon Bon, learned how to fight by watching old fight films in Cuba. He later sparred with boxers such as Benny Leonard and Jack Johnson, all world champions, before beginning an amateur boxing career. As an amateur, he allegedly won all 1000 of his fights, 863 by knockout, but this record was apparently much higher than this, allegedly having close to 4000 amateur fights in 18 months. Sardiñas had no fear and would actively engage in fights outside the ring with anyone who wanted it.
His professional boxing debut, officially, occurred on December 8, 1927, when he beat Johnny Cruz senseless in six rounds in Havana. Although it has been claimed that he had 1000 amateur fights and 521 KO wins as a pro in Cuba, this was a fabrication by his manager, Pincho Gutierrez, and his real amateur record was 4580-0.
4580-0 ??????????
Yeah I’m calling utter bullshit on that. Wikipedia ain’t always correct.
I will freely admit fighters did it a hell of a lot tougher in the dark old days ( which is why I admire Jim Jeffries, Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey amongst others ) but do the maths on that over a period of 18 months.
It's only seven fights a day. Every day.
Or maybe a couple of days with 10 during the week and Sunday to recover ?
Without a day off he might have dropped a few hundred fights…..
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You know things have got a bit too woke when a Guardian writer is against Hubbard being able to compete.
Interesting admission by Serena Williams halfway down the article. I guess John McEnroe was right.
By conflating gender and sex we undermine sporting competition | Tanya Aldred
Fairness is at the heart of sport and without separate categories for the sexes there would be no women in Olympic finals
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Anything less than a record-smashing gold medal would have to be considered a failure.
I just rewatched the South Park and Joe Rogan episodes about trans-athletics, both good.
In fairness, I did watch a counter-argument critical of the S.P. episode from a very cute American trans perspective, and while I can’t say I’m convinced, s/he does make the case that the “bigoted” stereotype about trans athlete is always power-lifters, and that it’s ridiculous to mention this because U.S. power-lifting forbids trans-athletes from competing in womens power-lifting events. Which seems to me a strong inference from a trans perspective that trans power-lifters do indeed have an unfair advantage over female athletes. And also, obviously, that there’s some merit & justification in the stereotype. After all, the first trans Olympian will be a power lifter, as predicted by the Prophets at South Park.
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@frank said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
You know things have got a bit too woke when a Guardian writer is against Hubbard being able to compete.
Interesting admission by Serena Williams halfway down the article. I guess John McEnroe was right.
By conflating gender and sex we undermine sporting competition | Tanya Aldred
Fairness is at the heart of sport and without separate categories for the sexes there would be no women in Olympic finals
Great article
The 100m stat is crazy
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I saw they asked the GB women's weight lifter what she thought of Hubbard in a presser, and after a long pause she just said "no thank you".
It's so ridiculous that they can't even express their thoughts on this, given it's such an obvious farce that Hubbard is allowed to compete. The world is going crazy.
Edit - here's the clip. It was the American that ended up answering.
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@no-quarter said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
I saw they asked the GB women's weight lifter what she thought of Hubbard in a presser, and after a long pause she just said "no thank you".
It's so ridiculous that they can't even express their thoughts on this, given it's such an obvious farce that Hubbard is allowed to compete. The world is going crazy.
Edit - here's the clip. It was the American that ended up answering.
#NoThankYou.
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It’s a whole new ball(s?) game.
Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut
She’s seriously scary.
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@kid-chocolate said in UFC:
It’s a whole new ball(s?) game.
Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut
She’s seriously scary.
FFS
Former Special Forces -
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@kid-chocolate said in UFC:
This is what she looked like before she transitioned.
For real.
See above
Absolute fucking joke
She should be ashamed of herselfHats off to the WOMAN who took the fight
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When will this freak show end?
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@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
When will this freak show end?
When someone gets really hurt, from the look of that bloke above.
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@gt12 said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
When will this freak show end?
When someone gets really hurt, from the look of that bloke above.
Not true unfortunately. Fallon Fox broke the eye socket of a female opponent back in 2014.
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@duluth said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@gt12 said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
When will this freak show end?
When someone gets really hurt, from the look of that bloke above.
Not true unfortunately. Fallon Fox broke the eye socket of a female opponent back in 2014.
I guess it take someone getting killed then?
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@kid-chocolate she?
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New guidelines for transgender participation unveiled by UK sports councils
There is no magic solution that balances the inclusion of trans women in female sport while guaranteeing competitive fairness and safety, new guidelines for sport across the UK conclude
"Trans women retain physique, stamina and strength advantages when competing in female sport, even when they reduce their testosterone levels, new guidelines for transgender participation in national and grassroots sport published by the UK sports councils will say on Thursday.
The long-awaited report argues there is no magic solution which balances the inclusion of trans women in female sport while guaranteeing competitive fairness and safety. And, for the first time, it tells sports across Britain that they will have to choose which to prioritise."
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Per UK Equality Act 2010, transgender folk may legally be excluded from participation in sport "if this is necessary to uphold fair or safe competition, but not otherwise" https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/721725/GRA-Consultation-document.pdf#page=74
In fact it goes back further to the Gender Reform Bill of 2004 when it was discussed extensively. It seems a sensible balance even now imho, and nothing has changed legally.
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
Kid Chocolate - Wikipedia
S3 E8: Why Transgender Athletes Threaten Fairness In Women's Sport
Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut
