All Blacks vs Springboks II
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
I think we knew exactly what was coming - but we executed terribly. Gifted them points, didn't read the ref (random though he was), and just dropped or turned over so much ball.
We hold half the balls we coughed up last week, we win by 15
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
I think we knew exactly what was coming - but we executed terribly. Gifted them points, didn't read the ref (random though he was), and just dropped or turned over so much ball.
We hold half the balls we coughed up last week, we win by 15
Who is the ref? Either way we need to take protecting the breakdown into our own hands
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
I think we knew exactly what was coming - but we executed terribly. Gifted them points, didn't read the ref (random though he was), and just dropped or turned over so much ball.
We hold half the balls we coughed up last week, we win by 15
@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
I think we knew exactly what was coming - but we executed terribly. Gifted them points, didn't read the ref (random though he was), and just dropped or turned over so much ball.
We hold half the balls we coughed up last week, we win by 15
It's different knowing what was coming and experiencing it. Some players there never played SA before, some not much versus SA super teams even.
In addition no one saw the box kicks in the attacking zone, that's new
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
I think we knew exactly what was coming - but we executed terribly. Gifted them points, didn't read the ref (random though he was), and just dropped or turned over so much ball.
We hold half the balls we coughed up last week, we win by 15
It's different knowing what was coming and experiencing it. Some players there never played SA before, some not much versus SA super teams even.
In addition no one saw the box kicks in the attacking zone, that's new
@machpants that last one from Faf was certainly a surprise, surely for his team too...sheesh.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Wouldn't at all be surprised to see a different game from SA. Their players are way more skilful than kick and chase and they'll do whatever they can to grab a win
Well they've been saying repeatedly all week that they did enough to win, it's their DNA, and they'll stick to it. So it would be a very big surprise, and a great bit if deception, if it's not same same for SA again.
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
Didn't we say that before the RWC2019 semi? :fishing_pole:
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
I think we knew exactly what was coming - but we executed terribly. Gifted them points, didn't read the ref (random though he was), and just dropped or turned over so much ball.
We hold half the balls we coughed up last week, we win by 15
It's different knowing what was coming and experiencing it. Some players there never played SA before, some not much versus SA super teams even.
In addition no one saw the box kicks in the attacking zone, that's new
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Some players there never played SA before, some not much versus SA super teams even
A real good point. Explains some of the nerves and not understanding how to adapt to the opposition
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Some players there never played SA before, some not much versus SA super teams even
A real good point. Explains some of the nerves and not understanding how to adapt to the opposition
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Some players there never played SA before, some not much versus SA super teams even
A real good point. Explains some of the nerves and not understanding how to adapt to the opposition
Regardless of gameplan, the Boks are the most difficult opposition we play. They are the best at consistently negating what we are trying to do, and they are relentless
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
Didn't we say that before the RWC2019 semi? :fishing_pole:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
Didn't we say that before the RWC2019 semi? :fishing_pole:
Too true, we beat SA comfortably. But this is why a dominant win is needed for me to take a step towards agreeing with Foster being reappointed. All Blacks haven't dealt with style under late Hansen or Foster. Real improvement is required, not seen it so far. I gave benefit of the doubt for this first one, but no more
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
Didn't we say that before the RWC2019 semi? :fishing_pole:
Too true, we beat SA comfortably. But this is why a dominant win is needed for me to take a step towards agreeing with Foster being reappointed. All Blacks haven't dealt with style under late Hansen or Foster. Real improvement is required, not seen it so far. I gave benefit of the doubt for this first one, but no more
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
Didn't we say that before the RWC2019 semi? :fishing_pole:
Too true, we beat SA comfortably. But this is why a dominant win is needed for me to take a step towards agreeing with Foster being reappointed. All Blacks haven't dealt with style under late Hansen or Foster. Real improvement is required, not seen it so far. I gave benefit of the doubt for this first one, but no more
Tend to agree with you.
But I liked the way the team dogged the win when things were pretty much going to shit. Showed character under pressure, unlike under Hansen in 2018-9 & Foster last year when we lost in similar situations. That's progress for me.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Hopefully Taylor sorts out his throwing, that had a huge impact on what we could do last week. We were forced to keep throwing at 2
That was the boks doing more than Taylors throwing IMO.
Well I remember one going to the back with Akira being lifted where it hit him in the stomach. How did the boks force that?
Whenever it went long it was off target.
Bad lift probably.
It wasn't a timing issue, the ball never made it to the target.
I don't remember that one so only guessing .
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Hopefully Taylor sorts out his throwing, that had a huge impact on what we could do last week. We were forced to keep throwing at 2
That was the boks doing more than Taylors throwing IMO.
Well I remember one going to the back with Akira being lifted where it hit him in the stomach. How did the boks force that?
Whenever it went long it was off target.
Bad lift probably.
It wasn't a timing issue, the ball never made it to the target.
I don't remember that one so only guessing .
One?
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@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
Didn't we say that before the RWC2019 semi? :fishing_pole:
Too true, we beat SA comfortably. But this is why a dominant win is needed for me to take a step towards agreeing with Foster being reappointed. All Blacks haven't dealt with style under late Hansen or Foster. Real improvement is required, not seen it so far. I gave benefit of the doubt for this first one, but no more
Tend to agree with you.
But I liked the way the team dogged the win when things were pretty much going to shit. Showed character under pressure, unlike under Hansen in 2018-9 & Foster last year when we lost in similar situations. That's progress for me.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
Didn't we say that before the RWC2019 semi? :fishing_pole:
Too true, we beat SA comfortably. But this is why a dominant win is needed for me to take a step towards agreeing with Foster being reappointed. All Blacks haven't dealt with style under late Hansen or Foster. Real improvement is required, not seen it so far. I gave benefit of the doubt for this first one, but no more
Tend to agree with you.
But I liked the way the team dogged the win when things were pretty much going to shit. Showed character under pressure, unlike under Hansen in 2018-9 & Foster last year when we lost in similar situations. That's could be progress for me.
If SA had a bit of attacking nous, we'd have lost. They just had nothing when we fucked up
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@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Hopefully Taylor sorts out his throwing, that had a huge impact on what we could do last week. We were forced to keep throwing at 2
That was the boks doing more than Taylors throwing IMO.
Well I remember one going to the back with Akira being lifted where it hit him in the stomach. How did the boks force that?
Whenever it went long it was off target.
Bad lift probably.
It wasn't a timing issue, the ball never made it to the target.
I don't remember that one so only guessing .
One?
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@chris said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Hopefully Taylor sorts out his throwing, that had a huge impact on what we could do last week. We were forced to keep throwing at 2
That was the boks doing more than Taylors throwing IMO.
Well I remember one going to the back with Akira being lifted where it hit him in the stomach. How did the boks force that?
Whenever it went long it was off target.
Bad lift probably.
It wasn't a timing issue, the ball never made it to the target.
I don't remember that one so only guessing .
One?
Yes,Was talking about the One Kirwan mentioned.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
This time the abs have seen it before and are ready
I think we knew exactly what was coming - but we executed terribly. Gifted them points, didn't read the ref (random though he was), and just dropped or turned over so much ball.
We hold half the balls we coughed up last week, we win by 15
Who is the ref? Either way we need to take protecting the breakdown into our own hands
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Who is the ref?
Carley. He did the Aust-Arg game last weekend and the Aust-SA game a week earlier. He looks the better of the two English refs.
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Who is the ref?
Carley. He did the Aust-Arg game last weekend and the Aust-SA game a week earlier. He looks the better of the two English refs.
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
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Joe Moody (53) -
Codie Taylor (63) -
Nepo Laulala (36) -
Brodie Retallick (88) -
Scott Barrett (47) -
Akira Ioane (9) -
Ardie Savea (55) – captain -
Luke Jacobson (9) -
Brad Weber (13) -
Beauden Barrett (97) -
Rieko Ioane (43) -
David Havili (10) -
Anton Lienert-Brown (52) -
Sevu Reece (13) -
Jordie Barrett (31)
RESERVES
16. Asafo Aumua (3)
17. George Bower (7)
18. Ofa Tuungafasi (41)
19. Patrick Tuipulotu (40)
20. Ethan Blackadder (6)
21. TJ Perenara (74)
22. Richie Mo’unga (26)
23. Damian McKenzie (36)Thank fuck -it looks like they're selecting based on form. Samisoni must be injured.
No real quibbles on selection. Might have started Blackadder at 6 with Akira on bench for a long burst in second half as boks tired. Would prefer Samisoni as reserve hooker but hope this means he might start v USA. I do like the look of the backline and the bench potency. Let's run them off their feet. Just hope Carley loosens up on his tight control of infringements. I want to see more flow and mistakenly thought Pearce would assist that. Ardie you need to help influence that flow through the ref.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
It's going to be a big challenge for the reserve front row. Aumua is not as strong a scrummager as Taukei'aho. The jury is still out on Bower and Tuungafasi looks underdone and has had his own problems in the scrum previously.
According to who ? I thought it was just his throwing that wasn’t as good.
He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell
). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@mn5 said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
It's going to be a big challenge for the reserve front row. Aumua is not as strong a scrummager as Taukei'aho. The jury is still out on Bower and Tuungafasi looks underdone and has had his own problems in the scrum previously.
According to who ? I thought it was just his throwing that wasn’t as good.
He isn't a large hooker by international standards, and the Canes scrum has often struggled. I accept that's not all down to Aumua (or Blackwell
). The Boks will bring on a better front row than their starters. I'm happy to be proved wrong.Marx and Koch aren't as strong at scrummaging as Mbonambi and Malherbe, but the Bomb Squad is an experienced unit.
Aumua and Blower seem a step down, and Patty T is a useless scrummager so the LH side will be seriously tested.
It's clear TWM want to see if they've got what it takes at the highest level, and hoping any deficiencies won't be fatal.
Likewise, Reece gets chance to see if he can cope with bombs at this level.
Can't really fault the starting 15.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Who is the ref?
Carley. He did the Aust-Arg game last weekend and the Aust-SA game a week earlier. He looks the better of the two English refs.
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
Yeah, we didn't adapt that well to Pearce last week. He's one of the best Refs around but had a poor game last week I thought, which upset our play.
Think the physicality is there as is the low error rate. Just seemed mutually exclusive last week
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
Yeah, we didn't adapt that well to Pearce last week. He's one of the best Refs around but had a poor game last week I thought, which upset our play.
Think the physicality is there as is the low error rate. Just seemed mutually exclusive last week
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
Either way we need to adapt faster if he is loose at the breakdown. I want to see us front up physically
Yeah, we didn't adapt that well to Pearce last week. He's one of the best Refs around but had a poor game last week I thought, which upset our play.
Think the physicality is there as is the low error rate. Just seemed mutually exclusive last week
Errors yes. But they were able to interfere with our ball at the breakdown, both legally and maybe not, but they played to the ref. We need to clean them out to reduce turnovers and allow our HB to clear the ball quicker
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nepia I've come round and actually think Reece is a quality player, smart and good vision, and cab beat a man, still a douche though (although seeing clips of abs in training and off the park he seems a good dude...but not sure I'll come round to that)
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with Reece's playing in general (he's less prone to defensive lapses these days) but I don't want players in the ABs merely because they lost their overseas contract.
@nepia said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@nepia I've come round and actually think Reece is a quality player, smart and good vision, and cab beat a man, still a douche though (although seeing clips of abs in training and off the park he seems a good dude...but not sure I'll come round to that)
Yeah, I don't really have a problem with Reece's playing in general (he's less prone to defensive lapses these days) but I don't want players in the ABs merely because they lost their overseas contract.
Irish-style bitterness is strong in this one.
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Won’t even be close this week
ABs by 11-14
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@dan54 Some bastard here will probably come up with a video - except, now that I've asked them to.
@chris-b said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:
@dan54 Some bastard here will probably come up with a video - except, now that I've asked them to. :).
Yep remember him spilling one badly in a tackle in first half. Also could have had a try when he popped a no look pass behind him to no one. He was expecting someone to be there but if he had a quick look he would have found Jordie eho would have been a good chance close to the line
