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Also, all of the nonsense @MajorRage is referring to in the Labour party about whether a man has a cervix is just the height of absurdity.
Biological sex across most of the animal kingdom, including humans, is determined based on the type of gamete each sex produces. Females produce large gametes (eggs), males produce small gametes (sperm). There is no third, fourth or fifth gamete that gets produced, it's eggs or sperm. 2 sexes, end of story.
Everything the trans activists talk about are secondary sex characteristics which vary among individuals; some are more prevalent in females and others are more prevalent in males. These also change dramatically when you go down the path of hormone treatments etc. None of them determine your sex.
A trans female is not a female because they are not the sex that produces large gametes. They are a trans female, the qualifier is important. Same as with a trans male.
None of this is particularly complicated. It feels like everyone is being gaslit into thinking it is more complicated than it is. I just shake my head at the public discourse around this, people have lost their fucking minds.
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@majorrage said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Where do most trans people sit on this? Are they with Starmer? Or Javid? Or McConnel? Or do they wish this shit was out of the presss?
I could be wrong but I think most thoughtful trans people in the UK consider healthcare access the major issue by far. NHS wait lists simply to be seen are now in years and rising (supposed to be 18 weeks). A gender dsyphoria diagnosis is needed before you can even get hormones whether MTF or FTM ... I believe there are more FTM now btw. Those quoting suicides or attempted suicides may want to start reading more on how suicide rates change as treatment progresses.
Those that can afford it go to private healthcare, which is typically pretty expensive as you can imagine. It's one reason it would be hard to know how many people have significant gender dysphoria as many (perhaps a majority now) simply avoid the NHS due to the waitlists.
Legally there are no blocks I am aware of for individual trans people to access toilets currently in the UK, and I suspect both main political parties may say a lot about "safe-spaces" while quietly leavinglegislation as-is in this area. It's a flashpoint for trans and gender conformist activists for sure, and easy to get column inches so it could be wheeled out pre-elections to generate cultural heat.
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@antipodean said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@l_n_p said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
In Psychiatric terms gender dysphoria is no longer considered a mental health condition as of DSM-V (2013).
I'm always bemused by this claim. Not a mental health condition. Appears in the bible for mental health conditions.
Mainly I think because it requires physical treaments, and the insurance companies require a medical "tag" to hang them upon, also there are varying degrees of psychological gatekeeping in the process depending on country and age of trans people (and which there are different views upon! ... but regardless they do exist today).
The World Health Organization have also made similar changes in the latest ICD-11 (2018+) reflecting the same direction as DSM-V.
https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/health-determinants/gender/gender-definitions/whoeurope-brief-transgender-health-in-the-context-of-icd-11 -
Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard has been named University of Otago sportswoman of the year at the Blues awards earlier this week.
Otago University honours Hubbard
Transgender weightlifter Laurel Hubbard has been named University of Otago sportswoman of the year at the Blues awards earlier this week. Hubbard...
Hubbard is believed to be the first transgender winner of the award in the event’s 113-year history.The Queenstown athlete became the first openly transgender woman to compete at the Olympics when she contested the women’s 87+kg at the Tokyo Games this year.
The 43-year-old was eliminated from the event when she failed to make a successful lift in the snatch.
Her achievement was recognised with the sportswoman of the year award at University of Otago and OUSA Blues and Golds Awards on Tuesday.
In a short statement to the Otago Daily Times Hubbard said she was ‘‘grateful for all of the support and kindness received from the teaching staff and students at Otago University’’.
‘‘It is not possible for athletes to complete at the Olympic level without the encouragement and aroha of friends, family and supporters.
‘‘This award belongs to everyone who has been part of my Olympic journey.’’
Otago University Students’ Association president Michaela Waite-Harvey said the Blues awards aim to highlight Otago students excelling in their chosen sport.
‘‘We could think of no-one more worthy of sportswoman of the year than Laurel Hubbard who represented Otago and New Zealand incredibly well at this year’s Tokyo Olympics.’’
The other big winner was athlete Shay Veitch, who was named sportsman of the year.
He won the long jump-100m double at the national track and field championships in Hastings in March.
Aotearoa Maori men’s hockey representative Nick Parata was named Maori sportsperson of the year and the Otago University Tramping Club collected the sports club of the year title.
The awards were hosted in line with Covid-19 Alert Level 2 restrictions. Only winners were allowed to attend.
“It is a shame we couldn’t hold a traditional Blues and Golds Event given the restrictions and timeframes around Covid,’’ Waite-Harvey said.
‘‘However, we are happy we could provide a hybrid alternative and are very much hopeful we can do the whole nine yards next year.”
The original award of “Blues” (celebrating sporting success) has been around since 1908.
The Golds were introduced in 2002 to acknowledge excellence in arts and cultural success.
Among the 30-plus Blues recipients were Highlanders and Otago loose forward Sean Withy and Volts batsman Dale Phillips.
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@ploughboy what a massive "fuck you" to all of the sportswomen who slogged their guts out and actually won something.
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@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
This is what she looked like before she transitioned.
For real.
Is it just me or does anyone else find it suss that a trained male fighting machine is now able to beat up on women with impunity?
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@mikethesnow said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
This is what she looked like before she transitioned.
For real.
Is it just me or does anyone else find it suss that a trained male fighting machine is now able to beat up on women with impunity?
Transphobe
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@booboo said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@mikethesnow said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
This is what she looked like before she transitioned.
For real.
Is it just me or does anyone else find it suss that a trained male fighting machine is now able to beat up on women with impunity?
Transphobe
Quite possibly by other people's definitions.
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3-4 years waiting for trans healthcare access - a lot of trans people in the UK wish there was more press on the real issues like this. Well worth a read imo.
I'm bored with MPs arguing over who does and who doesn't have a cervix
Trans people have bigger things to worry about - and so should MPs.
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@l_n_p said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
3-4 years waiting for trans healthcare access - a lot of trans people in the UK wish there was more press on the real issues like this. Well worth a read imo.
I'm bored with MPs arguing over who does and who doesn't have a cervix
Trans people have bigger things to worry about - and so should MPs.
Totally agree. It's completely wrong that the NHS prioritises Cancer, Heart disease over the wants of trans people. Absolutely disgusting.
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Enjoyed the special, and as is pointed out in any of the reviews of it is that the target is trans people, it's white people. Yet, I'm not offended, if you are going to be racist at least be funny.
Which he is.
Anyway, the above articly, by a prominent left wing gay man is showing the left is starting to eat itself over there. Hopefully we swing back towards scientific realities.
Makes me wonder how many strident pro-vaccination social justicice warriors block their ears when they the trans subject comes up.
(and before anyone willfully misunderstands that last point, my second jab is next week).
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@Kirwan this quote - “Too often in The Closer, it just sounds like Chappelle is using white privilege to excuse his own homophobia and transphobia.”
Holy fucking shit, where do people get off making statements like that.
The special was good, not as funny as the last one but for obvious reasons (won't spoil it), but I thought the way he talked about his trans friend as a human first was really powerful.
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LMAO. Not simply beating national records. Destroying them.
“ "That was so easy, I was cruising," Lia Thomas allegedly said. “
Second female Penn swimmer steps forward, describes teammates in tears
Even after a Wednesday team meeting where a source says Penn administration “strongly advised” its swimmers to avoid talking to the media about the situation surrounding transgender Penn swimmer Lia Thomas, a second female Penn swimmer has stepped forward to speak out via an exclusive interview...
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Is that all legitimate?
That's incredible if so! Well done her for being born so naturally better than all the rest of those competitors.
One line I especially like was the comment that Trans shouldn't be marginalised but in becoming trans, biological women should then become marginalised because of them.
I know we live in a different time and that finally women have much better rights that they used to and equal opportunities etc, but it must seem to them that men are trying to infiltrate them to take the equality away
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@hooroo said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Is that all legitimate?
That's incredible if so! Well done her for being born so naturally better than all the rest of those competitors.
One line I especially like was the comment that Trans shouldn't be marginalised but in becoming trans, biological women should then become marginalised because of them.
I know we live in a different time and that finally women have much better rights that they used to and equal opportunities etc, but it must seem to them that men are trying to infiltrate them to take the equality away
The feminists who fought so hard for title IX must be absolutely loving it. This issue makes for some interesting guests on Tucker Carlson.
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“Akron was an absolute beatdown by Thomas, but it wasn’t without disgust from fans who were in the building watching meet, pool, and school records drop one after the other.
"Usually everyone claps, everyone is yelling and cheering when someone wins a race. Lia touched the wall and it was just silent in there," OutKick’s source said during a phone interview.
"When [Penn swimmer] Anna [Kalandadze] finished second, the crowd erupted in applause."
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@kid-chocolate said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
“Akron was an absolute beatdown by Thomas, but it wasn’t without disgust from fans who were in the building watching meet, pool, and school records drop one after the other.
"Usually everyone claps, everyone is yelling and cheering when someone wins a race. Lia touched the wall and it was just silent in there," OutKick’s source said during a phone interview.
"When [Penn swimmer] Anna [Kalandadze] finished second, the crowd erupted in applause."
You're a copy and paste champion at the moment, aye!
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@majorrage said in Trans in sport / Laurel Hubbard:
Rowling causing controversy again ….
Difficult to disagree.
Transgender debate, in sport, in general
Dave Chappelle Is Right, Isn't He?
