All Blacks EOYT 2021
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I think the problems run way deeper than Havili at 12. The problems have been there since the Lions. I used to blame SBW for stifling the backline, but the issues have remained.
Buggered if I know the answer though.
@crazy-horse said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Buggered if I know the answer though.
I don't either. But a good start would be give combinations time to settle rather than constantly bringing in new players simply on the basis that a player had a off-day. Something Foster, to his credit seems to be doing.
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ALB isn't going to be playing much at 2nd 5 for the Chiefs in the future, whether in combination with Tupaea or Nankivell.
Remember that Umaga moved from winger to centre but also played at 2nd 5. Trying Rieko at 12 might be worth looking at. While he won't get as much space compared to centre he can be a direct runner, and there are less decisions to be made defensively.
@bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Trying Rieko at 12 might be worth looking at. While he won't get as much space compared to centre he can be a direct runner, and there are less decisions to be made defensively.
Sounds like just the ticket for George Bridge.
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@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Reiko would be a waste at 12.
I believe he has had a much better year at 13 but was far better on the wing. great to see him back to his best this year.
I'm not saying I want this to happen, just that if you want a midfielder that gets you over the advantage line Rieko would be the player who could do that out of all the other experienced options.
As to Laumape, he was never as effective at test level than in SR, although only started in 7 tests of the 15 he played.
I stand by my position that Laumape never got a chance to perform to his ability in the black jersey. Did everything he could within the confines of what was asked of him, but never got the chance to run straight and hard at a weak shoulder.
He couldn't identify an opportunity and run an appropriate line?
He wasn't given the ball in the position to do so. He'd do that all day if he was allowed.
I'm with @antipodean.
It's not like he's a winger getting cold on the sideline as the team plays 11 or 12 man rugby. He's right next to the playmaker.
If he needs to run from a distance to be effective and rely on the use of planned plays then he really is one dimensional.Maybe I've misunderstood your comment, it just makes no sense to me.
@crucial said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Reiko would be a waste at 12.
I believe he has had a much better year at 13 but was far better on the wing. great to see him back to his best this year.
I'm not saying I want this to happen, just that if you want a midfielder that gets you over the advantage line Rieko would be the player who could do that out of all the other experienced options.
As to Laumape, he was never as effective at test level than in SR, although only started in 7 tests of the 15 he played.
I stand by my position that Laumape never got a chance to perform to his ability in the black jersey. Did everything he could within the confines of what was asked of him, but never got the chance to run straight and hard at a weak shoulder.
He couldn't identify an opportunity and run an appropriate line?
He wasn't given the ball in the position to do so. He'd do that all day if he was allowed.
I'm with @antipodean.
It's not like he's a winger getting cold on the sideline as the team plays 11 or 12 man rugby. He's right next to the playmaker.
If he needs to run from a distance to be effective and rely on the use of planned plays then he really is one dimensional.Maybe I've misunderstood your comment, it just makes no sense to me.
No I think I can kinda see what deli is saying and if I've got it right, I largely agree - I don't think he was used appropriately at AB level and, well, yeah of course he then looked average as a result.
I disagree that his strength is just running straight into people though. He was very good at hitting a line and changing direction at the d-line, to go through shoulders. He had sweet feet in that regard, and those skills would help create space for others also, with a pop or skip.
We saw brief glimpses of him trying to develop - two or three seasons ago we saw him develop a great long skip pass, then it disappeared and we saw him starting to serve up a pretty handy short kicking game.
Then it all disappeared up his own arse with his head. He had it all there, but I think bought too many tickets on himself and lost his way. DUSRUSPICK!
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@crucial said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Reiko would be a waste at 12.
I believe he has had a much better year at 13 but was far better on the wing. great to see him back to his best this year.
I'm not saying I want this to happen, just that if you want a midfielder that gets you over the advantage line Rieko would be the player who could do that out of all the other experienced options.
As to Laumape, he was never as effective at test level than in SR, although only started in 7 tests of the 15 he played.
I stand by my position that Laumape never got a chance to perform to his ability in the black jersey. Did everything he could within the confines of what was asked of him, but never got the chance to run straight and hard at a weak shoulder.
He couldn't identify an opportunity and run an appropriate line?
He wasn't given the ball in the position to do so. He'd do that all day if he was allowed.
I'm with @antipodean.
It's not like he's a winger getting cold on the sideline as the team plays 11 or 12 man rugby. He's right next to the playmaker.
If he needs to run from a distance to be effective and rely on the use of planned plays then he really is one dimensional.Maybe I've misunderstood your comment, it just makes no sense to me.
No I think I can kinda see what deli is saying and if I've got it right, I largely agree - I don't think he was used appropriately at AB level and, well, yeah of course he then looked average as a result.
I disagree that his strength is just running straight into people though. He was very good at hitting a line and changing direction at the d-line, to go through shoulders. He had sweet feet in that regard, and those skills would help create space for others also, with a pop or skip.
We saw brief glimpses of him trying to develop - two or three seasons ago we saw him develop a great long skip pass, then it disappeared and we saw him starting to serve up a pretty handy short kicking game.
Then it all disappeared up his own arse with his head. He had it all there, but I think bought too many tickets on himself and lost his way. DUSRUSPICK!
@bones said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Reiko would be a waste at 12.
I believe he has had a much better year at 13 but was far better on the wing. great to see him back to his best this year.
I'm not saying I want this to happen, just that if you want a midfielder that gets you over the advantage line Rieko would be the player who could do that out of all the other experienced options.
As to Laumape, he was never as effective at test level than in SR, although only started in 7 tests of the 15 he played.
I stand by my position that Laumape never got a chance to perform to his ability in the black jersey. Did everything he could within the confines of what was asked of him, but never got the chance to run straight and hard at a weak shoulder.
He couldn't identify an opportunity and run an appropriate line?
He wasn't given the ball in the position to do so. He'd do that all day if he was allowed.
I'm with @antipodean.
It's not like he's a winger getting cold on the sideline as the team plays 11 or 12 man rugby. He's right next to the playmaker.
If he needs to run from a distance to be effective and rely on the use of planned plays then he really is one dimensional.Maybe I've misunderstood your comment, it just makes no sense to me.
No I think I can kinda see what deli is saying and if I've got it right, I largely agree - I don't think he was used appropriately at AB level and, well, yeah of course he then looked average as a result.
I disagree that his strength is just running straight into people though. He was very good at hitting a line and changing direction at the d-line, to go through shoulders. He had sweet feet in that regard, and those skills would help create space for others also, with a pop or skip.
We saw brief glimpses of him trying to develop - two or three seasons ago we saw him develop a great long skip pass, then it disappeared and we saw him starting to serve up a pretty handy short kicking game.
Then it all disappeared up his own arse with his head. He had it all there, but I think bought too many tickets on himself and lost his way. DUSRUSPICK!
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@bones said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@dagrubster said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Reiko would be a waste at 12.
I believe he has had a much better year at 13 but was far better on the wing. great to see him back to his best this year.
I'm not saying I want this to happen, just that if you want a midfielder that gets you over the advantage line Rieko would be the player who could do that out of all the other experienced options.
As to Laumape, he was never as effective at test level than in SR, although only started in 7 tests of the 15 he played.
I stand by my position that Laumape never got a chance to perform to his ability in the black jersey. Did everything he could within the confines of what was asked of him, but never got the chance to run straight and hard at a weak shoulder.
He couldn't identify an opportunity and run an appropriate line?
He wasn't given the ball in the position to do so. He'd do that all day if he was allowed.
I'm with @antipodean.
It's not like he's a winger getting cold on the sideline as the team plays 11 or 12 man rugby. He's right next to the playmaker.
If he needs to run from a distance to be effective and rely on the use of planned plays then he really is one dimensional.Maybe I've misunderstood your comment, it just makes no sense to me.
No I think I can kinda see what deli is saying and if I've got it right, I largely agree - I don't think he was used appropriately at AB level and, well, yeah of course he then looked average as a result.
I disagree that his strength is just running straight into people though. He was very good at hitting a line and changing direction at the d-line, to go through shoulders. He had sweet feet in that regard, and those skills would help create space for others also, with a pop or skip.
We saw brief glimpses of him trying to develop - two or three seasons ago we saw him develop a great long skip pass, then it disappeared and we saw him starting to serve up a pretty handy short kicking game.
Then it all disappeared up his own arse with his head. He had it all there, but I think bought too many tickets on himself and lost his way. DUSRUSPICK!
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@frye said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Ardie at 12.
Let's goAnd Messam at 13.
Still think after I first saw him play 7s this would’ve been his best position.
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Referee appointments:
USA v New Zealand
Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
Assistant Referee 1: Moe Chaudhry (RC)
Assistant Referee 2: Scott Green (USAR)
TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
Wales v New Zealand
Referee: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
Assistant Referee 1: Karl Dickson (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU)
Italy v New Zealand
Referee: Karl Dickson (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Adamson (SRU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sam Grove-White (SRU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)
Ireland v New Zealand
Referee: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)
France v New Zealand
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Karl Dickson (RFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU) -
@mn5 said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 EABOD
Maybe not. He’d put ‘you ranga’ at the end
EABODYR?
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@mn5 said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 EABOD
Maybe not. He’d put ‘you ranga’ at the end
EABODYR?
Not sure he has the attention span for long acronyms..@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 EABOD
Maybe not. He’d put ‘you ranga’ at the end
EABODYR?
Not sure he has the attention span for long acronyms..Initialisms.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 EABOD
Maybe not. He’d put ‘you ranga’ at the end
EABODYR?
Not sure he has the attention span for long acronyms..Initialisms.
@kruse said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@mn5 EABOD
Maybe not. He’d put ‘you ranga’ at the end
EABODYR?
Not sure he has the attention span for long acronyms..Initialisms.
Fair enough, will adjust my future JFTP (Jargon For The People).
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@delicatessen then he went and got that chip on his shoulder about his name being disrespected and shit, to me showed he wasnt there mentally either.
Outstanding at times at Super level, decent but limited at International level is how I recall his career in NZ, and maybe a bit unfulfilled.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen then he went and got that chip on his shoulder about his name being disrespected and shit, to me showed he wasnt there mentally either.
Outstanding at times at Super level, decent but limited at International level is how I recall his career in NZ, and maybe a bit unfulfilled.
I think if Laumape had been playing in black in the Smith-Nonu period he would have developed into a good AB much like Crotty did because he had that high bar that Conrad and Ma set to reach for. We have been at a bit of a hiatus in the centre’s since then so maybe has been a bit difficult for anyone to reach that level with ALB maybe getting the closest
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Barnesy. I thought he'd retired?
Also, @Stargazer , is RC Rugby Canada?
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Referee appointments:
USA v New Zealand
Referee: Angus Gardner (RA)
Assistant Referee 1: Moe Chaudhry (RC)
Assistant Referee 2: Scott Green (USAR)
TMO: Brett Cronan (RA)
Wales v New Zealand
Referee: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
Assistant Referee 1: Karl Dickson (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Brian MacNeice (IRFU)
Italy v New Zealand
Referee: Karl Dickson (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Mike Adamson (SRU)
Assistant Referee 2: Sam Grove-White (SRU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)
Ireland v New Zealand
Referee: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Matthew Carley (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Christophe Ridley (RFU)
TMO: Tom Foley (RFU)
France v New Zealand
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Karl Dickson (RFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU)@stargazer said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Referee appointments:
France v New Zealand
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Karl Dickson (RFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU)The All Blacks against France. The man with the whistle is Wayne "blind as a bat" Barnes. What could possibly go wrong?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@delicatessen then he went and got that chip on his shoulder about his name being disrespected and shit, to me showed he wasnt there mentally either.
Outstanding at times at Super level, decent but limited at International level is how I recall his career in NZ, and maybe a bit unfulfilled.
I think if Laumape had been playing in black in the Smith-Nonu period he would have developed into a good AB much like Crotty did because he had that high bar that Conrad and Ma set to reach for. We have been at a bit of a hiatus in the centre’s since then so maybe has been a bit difficult for anyone to reach that level with ALB maybe getting the closest
@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
We have been at a bit of a hiatus in the centre’s since then so maybe has been a bit difficult for anyone to reach that level with ALB maybe getting the closest
Jack Goodhue looked bloody good. Basically played mistake free rugby.
He's been unlucky with injuries and being moved around from 13 to 12. -
@stargazer said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Referee appointments:
France v New Zealand
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Karl Dickson (RFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU)The All Blacks against France. The man with the whistle is Wayne "blind as a bat" Barnes. What could possibly go wrong?
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Referee appointments:
France v New Zealand
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Karl Dickson (RFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU)The All Blacks against France. The man with the whistle is Wayne "blind as a bat" Barnes. What could possibly go wrong?
Bollocks, he's a great ref. Sure in 07 he was totally inexperienced and fucked the ABs, freezing liked a podium in the lights, but that was 14 years ago. He's one of the best refs in the world now
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@nevorian said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
We have been at a bit of a hiatus in the centre’s since then so maybe has been a bit difficult for anyone to reach that level with ALB maybe getting the closest
Jack Goodhue looked bloody good. Basically played mistake free rugby.
He's been unlucky with injuries and being moved around from 13 to 12.@frank said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
He's been unlucky with
injuries andbeing moved around from 13 to 12.There's been an obsession with buggering about with the AB midfield for the last 6-7 years. Fat lot of good it has done us.
Just find the most promising 12/13 combination and let it develop for more than a few games
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks EOYT 2021:
Referee appointments:
France v New Zealand
Referee: Wayne Barnes (RFU)
Assistant Referee 1: Luke Pearce (RFU)
Assistant Referee 2: Karl Dickson (RFU)
TMO: Stuart Terheege (RFU)The All Blacks against France. The man with the whistle is Wayne "blind as a bat" Barnes. What could possibly go wrong?
Bollocks, he's a great ref. Sure in 07 he was totally inexperienced and fucked the ABs, freezing liked a podium in the lights, but that was 14 years ago. He's one of the best refs in the world now
Yep. He's now very consistent and I really like the way he communicates with the players - the opposite of pompous and happy to share a joke with the players.
(The Curse of the Meldrew's is probably now on him and he'll have a shocker....)
