Pasifika SR team
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@stargazer Uhila is only playing federation 1 rugby for a team called Hyeres
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@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@stargazer it's probably a blessing for McClutchie tbh. He isn't better than Ruben Love from what I've seen so it's probably better for him to start somewhere, than be a reserve somewhere else like the Canes.
I hope he goes well and gets plenty of opportunity for Moana Pasifika.
Obviously I disagree with you about the Ruben Love bit. I think McClutchie's game management is far superior to Love's. Love is still in the early learning stages in that regard. Love is probably slightly better at kicking the ball into touch (exit play). They're both inconsistent at goal kicking.
I agree McClutchie is better off at MP, because he wouldn't get enough game time at the Canes. Not because Love is better but because Love is one of the new coach's pets.
@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
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@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
@canes4life Personally I'm bloody happy McClutchie got a contract, he deserves one. I also hope Tom Parsons, and Geoff Cridge pick one up as well. Loves a good player no doubt, but I honestly believe the Hurricanes missed a trick in not signing these 3 players.
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@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
I know tackle percentages aren't everything, but Love is at 58% tackles completed, and McClutchie is at 83% for the current NPC season.
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@canes4life Personally I'm bloody happy McClutchie got a contract, he deserves one. I also hope Tom Parsons, and Geoff Cridge pick one up as well. Loves a good player no doubt, but I honestly believe the Hurricanes missed a trick in not signing these 3 players.
@billsy111 the Canes should have signed McClutchie, I agree on that. He’s better than both Morgan and Garden-Bachop but to me there is a high chance he would play second fiddle to Love long term, so he’s probably better off signing with M.P. especially if he’s going to be the king pin there.
I raise this question to everyone on this thread, if you had to pick McClutchie or Love as your long term 10 who would you pick? My assumption as to why McClutchie hasn’t cracked a Super Rugby contract with any team in NZ is probably down to ?? around his size and ability to step up to the next level. The good thing now is that McClutchie has a chance to prove his doubters wrong by playing solid rugby for MP, where he may never have got that chance if they didn’t exist.
I wish the lad all the best.
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@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
I know tackle percentages aren't everything, but Love is at 58% tackles completed, and McClutchie is at 83% for the current NPC season.
@bobily2 said in Pasifika SR team:
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
I know tackle percentages aren't everything, but Love is at 58% tackles completed, and McClutchie is at 83% for the current NPC season.
That's classic c4l.
I'd take McClutchie over Love in a heartbeat. Unless I was trying to make my team look rudderless.
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@bobily2 said in Pasifika SR team:
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
I know tackle percentages aren't everything, but Love is at 58% tackles completed, and McClutchie is at 83% for the current NPC season.
That's classic c4l.
I'd take McClutchie over Love in a heartbeat. Unless I was trying to make my team look rudderless.
@bones said in Pasifika SR team:
@bobily2 said in Pasifika SR team:
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
I know tackle percentages aren't everything, but Love is at 58% tackles completed, and McClutchie is at 83% for the current NPC season.
That's classic c4l.
I'd take McClutchie over Love in a heartbeat. Unless I was trying to make my team look rudderless.
I don’t know who either of these guys are but I know a good fern burn where I see one so you get an upvote.
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@bobily2 said in Pasifika SR team:
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@stargazer Apples and Oranges. From what I’ve seen of Love so far he looks to be a better prospect long term. He’s bigger, he’s better defensively, I think his all round game is better and I think he is the 10 for the future. Love is certainly better if you compare where McClutchie was at the same age.
I think it’s a little over the top saying he’s the coaches pet, but I guess that’s an automatic tag that you Hawkes Bay lot put on Wellington players these days.
Anyway, when they square off against one another we will get the real picture.
I know tackle percentages aren't everything, but Love is at 58% tackles completed, and McClutchie is at 83% for the current NPC season.
That's classic c4l.
I'd take McClutchie over Love in a heartbeat. Unless I was trying to make my team look rudderless.
@bones I will be fairly happy to say ‘I told you so’ when Love pulls on the black jersey in the future.
Get used to the name Bonesy, Love has already shown glimpses of brilliance even at the raw age of 20 and is only going to get better.
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@bones I will be fairly happy to say ‘I told you so’ when Love pulls on the black jersey in the future.
Get used to the name Bonesy, Love has already shown glimpses of brilliance even at the raw age of 20 and is only going to get better.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@bones I will be fairly happy to say ‘I told you so’ when Love pulls on the black jersey in the future. Plus NPC stats don’t mean anything, especially when you’re a 10 behind a shithouse Wellington pack.
Get used to the name Bonesy, Love has already shown glimpses of brilliance even at the raw age of 20 and is only going to get better.
I'm pretty used to the name Bonesy already.
What I'm not a fan of is watching my team get pumped because the guy supposed to be doing the steering hasn't got his licence yet. OH BUT WOW CHIP KICK TRY WHICH NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF RUGBY HAS DONE!!!!
Anyway, I'm pretty confident McClutchie will show more than Love in his first year of SR.
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@bones I will be fairly happy to say ‘I told you so’ when Love pulls on the black jersey in the future.
Get used to the name Bonesy, Love has already shown glimpses of brilliance even at the raw age of 20 and is only going to get better.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@bones I will be fairly happy to say ‘I told you so’ when Love pulls on the black jersey in the future. Plus NPC stats don’t mean anything, especially when you’re a 10 behind a shithouse Wellington pack.
Get used to the name Bonesy, Love has already shown glimpses of brilliance even at the raw age of 20 and is only going to get better.
I wouldn’t quite go so far but the kid certainly looks like he has something. Just needs to add the other parts and experience.
He is no BB, Carlos, DC or Cruden at the same age.
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@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@bones I will be fairly happy to say ‘I told you so’ when Love pulls on the black jersey in the future. Plus NPC stats don’t mean anything, especially when you’re a 10 behind a shithouse Wellington pack.
Get used to the name Bonesy, Love has already shown glimpses of brilliance even at the raw age of 20 and is only going to get better.
I'm pretty used to the name Bonesy already.
What I'm not a fan of is watching my team get pumped because the guy supposed to be doing the steering hasn't got his licence yet. OH BUT WOW CHIP KICK TRY WHICH NO ONE IN THE HISTORY OF RUGBY HAS DONE!!!!
Anyway, I'm pretty confident McClutchie will show more than Love in his first year of SR.
@bones lol he was 19 last year when he made his Super Rugby debut, of course he hasn't developed yet, but he showed plenty of class in the cameos he made to suggest he's going to be something special. What was Lincoln doing at the ages of 19, 20 & 21? Oh that's right, he couldn't even get a contract with any of the NZ Super franchises, but you're adament he will be better than Love in his first year...righto.
@Crucial you mean Peter Umaga-Jensen? He's trucking nicely thank you very much. He's been pretty dominant for Wellington this year (and last year for that matter). Already been capped by the All Blacks and will be looking for a big year at 12 (unless Holland decides to leave him out again). Cam Roigard, well he's injured but I'm looking forward to seeing what he has when he makes his return down the track. Devan Flanders, expect him to be an AB in the next World Cup cycle. Ardie Savea, well the man speaks for himself. Oh, and Jordie Barrett, he just saved our blushes against South Africa didn't he?
Not sure what you're getting at?
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@bones lol he was 19 last year when he made his Super Rugby debut, of course he hasn't developed yet, but he showed plenty of class in the cameos he made to suggest he's going to be something special. What was Lincoln doing at the ages of 19, 20 & 21? Oh that's right, he couldn't even get a contract with any of the NZ Super franchises, but you're adament he will be better than Love in his first year...righto.
@Crucial you mean Peter Umaga-Jensen? He's trucking nicely thank you very much. He's been pretty dominant for Wellington this year (and last year for that matter). Already been capped by the All Blacks and will be looking for a big year at 12 (unless Holland decides to leave him out again). Cam Roigard, well he's injured but I'm looking forward to seeing what he has when he makes his return down the track. Devan Flanders, expect him to be an AB in the next World Cup cycle. Ardie Savea, well the man speaks for himself. Oh, and Jordie Barrett, he just saved our blushes against South Africa didn't he?
Not sure what you're getting at?
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
he showed plenty of class in the cameos he made
He did fuck all.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
but you're adament he will be better than Love in his first year...righto
I never said adamant. But see above, if I was adamant, it wouldn't be hard to believe. JGB is a better 10 than Love at the moment. Love is a fairly handy fullback from what I've seen, but you're not talking about fullback...
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@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
he showed plenty of class in the cameos he made
He did fuck all.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
but you're adament he will be better than Love in his first year...righto
I never said adamant. But see above, if I was adamant, it wouldn't be hard to believe. JGB is a better 10 than Love at the moment. Love is a fairly handy fullback from what I've seen, but you're not talking about fullback...
@bones this is the thing, we have completely different pictures of what makes a good 10. JGB has had plenty of chances to shine and has done f all in his time at the Hurricanes.
Love, however was thrown in the deep-end because of JGB's misfortune and did bloody well when he probably didn't expect to play any minutes in 2020. A little harsh to say he did f all.
If the below is f all at 19, then you're a hard one to please:
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@bones this is the thing, we have completely different pictures of what makes a good 10. JGB has had plenty of chances to shine and has done f all in his time at the Hurricanes.
Love, however was thrown in the deep-end because of JGB's misfortune and did bloody well when he probably didn't expect to play any minutes in 2020. A little harsh to say he did f all.
If the below is f all at 19, then you're a hard one to please:
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@canes4life I'm not hard to please. A fleeting moment out of many doesn't make a player.
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@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
he showed plenty of class in the cameos he made
He did fuck all.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
but you're adament he will be better than Love in his first year...righto
I never said adamant. But see above, if I was adamant, it wouldn't be hard to believe. JGB is a better 10 than Love at the moment. Love is a fairly handy fullback from what I've seen, but you're not talking about fullback...
@bones said in Pasifika SR team:
Love is a fairly handy fullback from what I've seen
It is interesting that in both the NZ Schools and U20s Morgan has been preferred to Love at 1st 5. In the NZS team Love was actually on the wing and played at fullback for the NZ U20s this year. I think that says something about Love's game management at this stage of his career.
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@bones said in Pasifika SR team:
Love is a fairly handy fullback from what I've seen
It is interesting that in both the NZ Schools and U20s Morgan has been preferred to Love at 1st 5. In the NZS team Love was actually on the wing and played at fullback for the NZ U20s this year. I think that says something about Love's game management at this stage of his career.
@bovidae both of them have switched between 10/15 for various teams. Love was at 10 and Morgan was at 15 for the Lions vs Manawatu the other day. The fact Jordie has the Canes 15 jersey locked down means the 10 jersey is a three horse race. JGB might even get it back this year because of his experience but all I'm my money is on Love to end up being the long term 10 as his game develops. I'm also not the biggest JGB fan so I hope he claims it soon.
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@billsy111 the Canes should have signed McClutchie, I agree on that. He’s better than both Morgan and Garden-Bachop but to me there is a high chance he would play second fiddle to Love long term, so he’s probably better off signing with M.P. especially if he’s going to be the king pin there.
I raise this question to everyone on this thread, if you had to pick McClutchie or Love as your long term 10 who would you pick? My assumption as to why McClutchie hasn’t cracked a Super Rugby contract with any team in NZ is probably down to ?? around his size and ability to step up to the next level. The good thing now is that McClutchie has a chance to prove his doubters wrong by playing solid rugby for MP, where he may never have got that chance if they didn’t exist.
I wish the lad all the best.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@billsy111 the Canes should have signed McClutchie, I agree on that. He’s better than both Morgan and Garden-Bachop but to me there is a high chance he would play second fiddle to Love long term, so he’s probably better off signing with M.P. especially if he’s going to be the king pin there.
I raise this question to everyone on this thread, if you had to pick McClutchie or Love as your long term 10 who would you pick? My assumption as to why McClutchie hasn’t cracked a Super Rugby contract with any team in NZ is probably down to ?? around his size and ability to step up to the next level. The good thing now is that McClutchie has a chance to prove his doubters wrong by playing solid rugby for MP, where he may never have got that chance if they didn’t exist.
I wish the lad all the best.
McClutchie every day of the week.
Since when did size matter at 10?
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@bones but a player hasn't peaked at 19 which suggests a fleeting moment of brilliance at that raw age is only a small snippet of what is to come.
@canes4life said in Pasifika SR team:
@bones but a player hasn't peaked at 19 which suggests a fleeting moment of brilliance at that raw age is only a small snippet of what is to come.
Or the rest is a large snippet of what is to come.
