All Blacks 2021
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the absolute best thing about us not being walk up morals for every single game any more is it has brought back the shitfights. And we are getting some very serious provincial battle lines drawn up
This place is way more fun when we lose a few, and we have across the board a bunch of guys who are all about the same level, and all have flaws that can be highlighted and exaggerated
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
the absolute best thing about us not being walk up morals for every single game any more is it has brought back the shitfights. And we are getting some very serious provincial battle lines drawn up
This place is way more fun when we lose a few, and we have across the board a bunch of guys who are all about the same level, and all have flaws that can be highlighted and exaggerated
The Jordie v DMac battle got settled so I can relax a bit more now. Will still take the odd snipe at Mo'unga when I get the chance though.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
the absolute best thing about us not being walk up morals for every single game any more is it has brought back the shitfights. And we are getting some very serious provincial battle lines drawn up
This place is way more fun when we lose a few, and we have across the board a bunch of guys who are all about the same level, and all have flaws that can be highlighted and exaggerated
The Jordie v DMac battle got settled so I can relax a bit more now. Will still take the odd snipe at Mo'unga when I get the chance though.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks 2021:
Will still take the odd snipe at Mo'unga when I get the chance though
that's the best one. BB and Mo'unga are the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses, but the guys in each camp will back them to the hilt as the superior player
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@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
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Sotutu started SRA pretty slow, but from the 2nd half of SRA and into SR-TT, he really improved and got closer to his 2020 form.
Can we talk about Sotutu's AB form this year as well? He can still make mistakes but overall I thought he has played ok? (I admit I have not seen one game, and not sure I can bear to).
He is still young and I like the way he uses his long arms to disrupt the maul and some of his passing is very sweet for a loose forward. But he can also struggle to impose himself when the going gets hard (perhaps this is just an AB forward characteristic, sigh...) I still think he could be a longterm AB 8 and so could Jacobson (although I did like seeing LJ at 6). -
@no-quarter said in All Blacks 2021:
Will still take the odd snipe at Mo'unga when I get the chance though
that's the best one. BB and Mo'unga are the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses, but the guys in each camp will back them to the hilt as the superior player
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks 2021:
Will still take the odd snipe at Mo'unga when I get the chance though
that's the best one. BB and Mo'unga are the same player with the same strengths and weaknesses, but the guys in each camp will back them to the hilt as the superior player
Mo'unga will inevitably win that battle, though - not because he's the better player, but just because BB is older and has lost and will continue to lose the good parts of his game that glossed over the flaws in his game (the same flaws that Mo'unga has)
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@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
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@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks 2021:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
Eh?
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks 2021:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
Eh?
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
@chester-draws said in All Blacks 2021:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
Looks better than Princep/Kirifi/Savea though and I say that as a proud native of the nations capital.
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks 2021:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
Looks better than Princep/Kirifi/Savea though and I say that as a proud native of the nations capital.
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks 2021:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
Looks better than Princep/Kirifi/Savea though and I say that as a proud native of the nations capital.
How disappointed was I when you raised canes loosies and completely ignored Fifita.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks 2021:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
Looks better than Princep/Kirifi/Savea though and I say that as a proud native of the nations capital.
How disappointed was I when you raised canes loosies and completely ignored Fifita.
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks 2021:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2021:
@themojoman said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan said in All Blacks 2021:
@stargazer said in All Blacks 2021:
@kirwan You have an excellent ability to misread posts and/or twist words. I've got to give that to you. Well done!
I think you are stuck in a hypocrisy loop again.
People are allowed to disagree with people's opinions - even yours!
I disagree that Sotutu had a quiet season, he certainly did enough to make the All Blacks for example. Now in case you get confused again, that's my opinion.
Sotutu hasn't had a quiet season. Was outstanding in Super Rugby, got leap-frogged by Jacobson/Blackadder but it's a highly competitive loose combo. His appearances since have been v.good.
Outstanding in lineout, off back of scrum and probably best passer. Ought to be excellent in combo with big hitting 6. Paps/Aioane/Hoskins has good balance.
All three being ... wait for it .... from a particular province.
That's not "good balance". Unless you live in Auckland.
Looks better than Princep/Kirifi/Savea though and I say that as a proud native of the nations capital.
How disappointed was I when you raised canes loosies and completely ignored Fifita.
He’s gone overseas, bro, do you even follow Rugby ?
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo eh?
Why can a loose forward trio from one union not be balanced?
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
Why can a loose forward trio from one union not be balanced?
Not enough chips on their shoulders?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RugbyPass/status/1443080603834912769
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Conversely there’s also a tendency to hype a young player too early because he does one or two things that we the public might like.
One example for me was I really rated Angus MacDonald. To me he had long term All Black written all over him when I saw him play as a 20 year old and then in 03-04 for the Blues. He made the ABs in 05 and I thought he was our versatile lock/blindside for the bench for years to come. I even said on here that I thought he could be a leader in the ABs.
He played two tests.
And of course, how could we forget Ice....
I think he's a difficult one because at that time there were so many other good players in all the positions he could play in. At 12 you had Mauger and McAllister. At 13 you had Conrad. There were about 100 good players on the wing, and at fullback you had Mils. Trying to fit him in somewhere was a problem. I reckon if he'd been around now he'd be straight in there.
He was brilliant at 15 in his first super season with the Canes. It is well documented that he was thrown into the ABs very quickly. A few seasons at full back might have helped him ease in
He was a big reason why Fa'atau was the top try scorer in Super Rugby that season.
Great job by snake to find him, and a beautiful line by Ice. He should never have gone back to Auckland. Stay and complete his apprenticeship with Nonu, Smith and Co
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
..Ice. He should never have
gone back toleft Auckland. Stay and complete his apprenticeship with .. oh I don't have the heart to finish this for you..Nearly FIFO.
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lots of records will be set this year by the 2021 ABs:
https://www.allblacks.com/news/all-blacks-close-in-on-all-time-try-scoring-record/Their 89 tries scored to date are only three behind the world record of 92 tries scored by Argentina in 2003. Should the All Blacks score another 12 tries on the tour, their 101 tries would break the world record average tries per Test set by the World Cup-winning 1987 All Blacks of 6.71 tries per game. If they score another 31 points on the tour they will break the record for most points in a calendar year. That is 658, set by South Africa in 2007 when they played 17 Tests en route to their Rugby World Cup win. Should they convert three more tries in 2021 they will break the world record for most Test conversions in a calendar year. That stands at 62 by South Africa in 2007.
