All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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I’m going to file that under own goal.
Forwards were OK for me, but starting loosies’ lack of combined hitting power showed. Akira should have started.
We lost this in backs. In summary, much too cute. Ireland’s stifle defence was very good and ref interpretations were not favouring our natural game. With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
Richie underwhelmed, but between TJP and Havili perhaps harsh to pin on too much blame.
Rieko is too error prone to be 13 in a tight game.
So seems that in last 30 our Backline was rendered impotent.
With hindsight, the Welsh last quarter flattered ALB/Rioane combo.
We’d have been better with Havili ALB starting and Reece coming off bench.
And Christie on at 55.
Can only hope we get Backline back to basics in Paris. Nugget a good start.
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Reiko is not having a good game. Under pressure at 13.
He's barely had the ball
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Reiko is not having a good game. Under pressure at 13.
He's barely had the ball
And he’s been getting it at the same time as an Irish defender from a guy running side ways inside him
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
We need Robertson ASAP. I feel like a Man U fan waiting for the announcement that they have finally hired a real manager instead of a substitute PE teacher.
But what happens if Robertson is brought in and nothing much changes? Do we change coaches as often as we change mid-field options?
Somewhere, something has gone badly off the rails and I'm not convinced it's all Foster's fault and swapping him an easy answer.
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
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@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
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@act-crusader fucking priceless
. I don't care if a Chiefs player has a shit game as I don't take it personally. Y'all Crusaders fans rush to protect your babies when they're criticized. Retallick had a shit game, as did ALB.@yeetyaah I’m not losing any sleep over the loss - although it looks like you are as you said a couple of posts ago you were going to bed…
After all it’s just a game.
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Foster is shit shit shit,
Shit player and a shit coach right of the next WC we have no chance in a tight WC tournament under the Fister circus.@chris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Foster is shit shit shit,
Shit player and a shit coach right of the next WC we have no chance in a tight WC tournament under the Fister circus.We've played 3 games this year against 'hard' opposition. By hard, I mean in your face physical teams. Wales could've been, but were badly effected by defections. So 3 games, 1 win. The same style will almost always best the ABs, in the late Hansen/foster era.
They talk the talk about physicality, but can't walk the walk. Foster has still not figured it out after 5 or so years, and he's not going to. I was hoping that we'd see a vintage performance, but Ireland obviously didn't listen to Foster's media interviews.
So another couple of years of being a flat track bully, but no cigar at the world cup. Bring on 2024.
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@stargazer had to be something serious.
That’s the problem with Reiko and Havili. They need babysitters. They need experience inside or outside them. That’s on the coaches. If you haven’t made a player into a stand alone test weapon then they shouldn’t be on the field to begin with.
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@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
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@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
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Ireland were better no qualms
I'm disappointed cos we lost our head. If we had done the simple things right like pass, catch and no hail mary passes we would have been right in it till the end.
This tour maybe a bit long, players look jaded.@berniescorner players definitely looked a little flat in terms of attack.
Oh well, we get another test next week.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
Always I read that this sort of thing is the coach's fault
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus Blackadder should have been subbed.
Blackadder was subbed and shouldn't have been. They should have taken Ardie off instead, although Akira didn't offer much in the time he was on the field.
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus Blackadder should have been subbed.
Blackadder was subbed and shouldn't have been. They should have taken Ardie off instead, although Akira didn't offer much in the time he was on the field.
i disagree, Akira did.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus Blackadder should have been subbed.
Blackadder was subbed and shouldn't have been. They should have taken Ardie off instead, although Akira didn't offer much in the time he was on the field.
@stargazer i think you have to make horses for courses selections ,for me Blackadder is better suited against teams like the Boks..Akira may have been a better option against the irish
My biggest disappointment is the lack of development of the props ..Nepo Laulala whilst being adequate at scrumtime time just does ‘nt do it for me around the paddock ..big Karl T i put in the same bracket
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this!@dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this!100% agree, but for the Fern the glass is always half empty - or completely empty in this case - and moaning about ABs players (or the coach) comes first. Ferners aren't good losers and become totally unreasonable. Full credit to Ireland!
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@dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this!100% agree, but for the Fern the glass is always half empty - or completely empty in this case - and moaning about ABs players (or the coach) comes first. Ferners aren't good losers and become totally unreasonable. Full credit to Ireland!
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this!100% agree, but for the Fern the glass is always half empty - or completely empty in this case - and moaning about ABs players (or the coach) comes first. Ferners aren't good losers and become totally unreasonable.
You show me a good loser and I see a loser!
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Well done, Ireland.
That was one of the best performances I've seen against the ABs and it would have been a bit of a travesty if we had burgled it.
Can all pick out lots of individuals to criticise, but we were outplayed across the park. Some massive first half defence kept us in the game - along with a couple of breakout tries.
Big problem, I think, is that we don't really have the forwards to dominate like we did in 2015. We've pretty much got our best guys on the tour, but they finished second tonight.
The backs fumbled and bungled a fair bit tonight under pressure, but we have enough quality there (except halfback when Smith isn't there).
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this! -
@stargazer had to be something serious.
That’s the problem with Reiko and Havili. They need babysitters. They need experience inside or outside them. That’s on the coaches. If you haven’t made a player into a stand alone test weapon then they shouldn’t be on the field to begin with.
@raznomore said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer had to be something serious.
That’s the problem with Reiko and Havili. They need babysitters. They need experience inside or outside them. That’s on the coaches. If you haven’t made a player into a stand alone test weapon then they shouldn’t be on the field to begin with.
I don’t think that is true at all. Midfield players need combination. Remember when Snakey didn’t look that flash outside MacAllister? His combo with Nonu was built over many many years. There were some scratchy performances by Mauger and Umaga individually and collectively, but they eventually looked good after a couple of years.
Havili would not have been first choice this season, but got his chance because of Goodhue’s injury. So we have a new combo and two fairly young players at that.
