All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@victor-meldrew I imagine the NZRU is Homer and currently there’s a monkey crashing cymbals in his head…
Peter Ionatana Jack Umaga-Jensen played well for the ABs off the bench, is still only 23 (24 next month), maybe he is injured, maybe the Canes coaches don't rate him but he is a centre.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@pakman said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
With Jordie’s huge boot we should have prioritised playing in their half rather than clever up and unders in our half.
The real elephant in the room was why didn't the players recognise that and change tactics?
ALB took the backline brain when he went off.
Yep. Experience and calm heads in mid-field looks really thin
I reckon the ALB / Goodhue midfield would’ve been the first choice one going into the year. Two players that could complement each other and offer something different.
Well, we've had 6 years to come up with a plan which allows for injured players...
@victor-meldrew ,would like to see Lester Faaianuku looked as genuine midfield carrier..
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@victor-meldrew ,would like to see Lester Faaianuku looked as genuine midfield carrier..
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@victor-meldrew ,would like to see Lester Faaianuku looked as genuine midfield carrier..
@steven-harris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew ,would like to see Lester Faaianuku looked as genuine midfield carrier..
Should have been looked at IMO.
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@raznomore
I guarantee they spent the last few years thinking more deeply about Silverlake than success on the field.@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@raznomore
I guarantee they spent the last few years thinking more deeply about Silverlake than success on the field.Kinda what I was referring to when suggesting serious questions need to be asked. There seems to have been fuck-all thought or management on the player pool.
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For those criticizing Foster and his team, please reflect.
He did after all save a place at 13 for Ennor. Obvious selection genius.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For those criticizing Foster and his team, please reflect.
He did after all save a place at 13 for Ennor. Obvious selection genius.And he played Reiko at 13 today - something many wanted, I might add.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For those criticizing Foster and his team, please reflect.
He did after all save a place at 13 for Ennor. Obvious selection genius.And he played Reiko at 13 today - something many wanted, I might add.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
For those criticizing Foster and his team, please reflect.
He did after all save a place at 13 for Ennor. Obvious selection genius.And he played Reiko at 13 today...
Don't think he had much choice there oh you could have DH ALB but Reiko had some terrible hospital passes and DH didn't really set the world on fire.
As I said I wanted RI to do well at 13 as he has serious pace.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
My concern is that Robertson won't make that much difference and we've effectively shared the headless-chicken stuff from the field to the coaches office.
Something has gone badly wrong in the last 4 years. The only good thing to come from this game is it might make people sit up and ask some hard questions - players, coaches and NZRFU management
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
My concern is that Robertson won't make that much difference and we've effectively shared the headless-chicken stuff from the field to the coaches office.
Something has gone badly wrong in the last 4 years. The only good thing to come from this game is it might make people sit up and ask some hard questions - players, coaches and NZRFU management
I suspect it runs a bit deeper than just the coach (but in saying that I’m not saying fozzie is the best man for the job .)
Blowing teams off the park with razzle dazzle isn’t as easy as it was and I think it’s largely due to the improvement in the opposition dealing with what we tend to do well .
The nh sides now look far more than well rounded than they used to, and we can look a bit like one trick poneys in our approach to the game
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
My concern is that Robertson won't make that much difference and we've effectively shared the headless-chicken stuff from the field to the coaches office.
Something has gone badly wrong in the last 4 years. The only good thing to come from this game is it might make people sit up and ask some hard questions - players, coaches and NZRFU management
I suspect it runs a bit deeper than just the coach (but in saying that I’m not saying fozzie is the best man for the job .)
Blowing teams off the park with razzle dazzle isn’t as easy as it was and I think it’s largely due to the improvement in the opposition dealing with what we tend to do well .
The nh sides now look far more than well rounded than they used to, and we can look a bit like one trick poneys in our approach to the game
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
My concern is that Robertson won't make that much difference and we've effectively shared the headless-chicken stuff from the field to the coaches office.
Something has gone badly wrong in the last 4 years. The only good thing to come from this game is it might make people sit up and ask some hard questions - players, coaches and NZRFU management
I suspect it runs a bit deeper than just the coach (but in saying that I’m not saying fozzie is the best man for the job .)
Blowing teams off the park with razzle dazzle isn’t as easy as it was and I think it’s largely due to the improvement in the opposition dealing with what we tend to do well .
The nh sides now look far more than well rounded than they used to, and we can look a bit like one trick poneys in our approach to the game
that goes back to coaching (and I guess, captains).
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In terms of good ole test match, I loved it. Ireland looked like the All Blacks when the All Blacks used to be coached.
Ireland fully deserved that.
Can comedy Havellii now be rissoled? He is fucking hopeless with any type of pressure on him.
Foster has got shit for brains if he thinks labored passing late in the game is the solution. Why didn’t Christie come on??
What happened to ALB??
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In terms of good ole test match, I loved it. Ireland looked like the All Blacks when the All Blacks used to be coached.
Ireland fully deserved that.
Can comedy Havellii now be rissoled? He is fucking hopeless with any type of pressure on him.
Foster has got shit for brains if he thinks labored passing late in the game is the solution. Why didn’t Christie come on??
What happened to ALB??
@hooroo said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Ireland looked like the All Blacks when the All Blacks used to be coached.
Ouch, accurate but painful.
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In terms of good ole test match, I loved it. Ireland looked like the All Blacks when the All Blacks used to be coached.
Ireland fully deserved that.
Can comedy Havellii now be rissoled? He is fucking hopeless with any type of pressure on him.
Foster has got shit for brains if he thinks labored passing late in the game is the solution. Why didn’t Christie come on??
What happened to ALB??
@hooroo said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
In terms of good ole test match, I loved it. Ireland looked like the All Blacks when the All Blacks used to be coached.
Ireland fully deserved that.
Can comedy Havellii now be rissoled? He is fucking hopeless with any type of pressure on him.
Foster has got shit for brains if he thinks labored passing late in the game is the solution. Why didn’t Christie come on??
What happened to ALB??
shoulder injury (someone said in here).
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@hooroo said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
In terms of good ole test match, I loved it. Ireland looked like the All Blacks when the All Blacks used to be coached.
Ireland fully deserved that.
Can comedy Havellii now be rissoled? He is fucking hopeless with any type of pressure on him.
Foster has got shit for brains if he thinks labored passing late in the game is the solution. Why didn’t Christie come on??
What happened to ALB??
shoulder injury (someone said in here).
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@hooroo said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
In terms of good ole test match, I loved it. Ireland looked like the All Blacks when the All Blacks used to be coached.
Ireland fully deserved that.
Can comedy Havellii now be rissoled? He is fucking hopeless with any type of pressure on him.
Foster has got shit for brains if he thinks labored passing late in the game is the solution. Why didn’t Christie come on??
What happened to ALB??
shoulder injury.
Ok. Cheers. Didn’t see that.
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I haven't read the thread but for me it wasn't our forwards that are putting us in these spots it is the lack of brains in the backs.
I think that if BB and ALB had stayed on the field we would have had a shot at scraping a win but RM, Havili, RI just don't have any smarts firstly with the rush defence and secondly with making good decisions. You don't expect smarts on the wing and our wingers today delivered on that expectation. They looked like possums in the headlights at times. JB was about the only back that looked at home but he adds little in directing play.
Ireland played extremely well so I don't want to take any credit from them but considering how well they played and how poorly we did the scores were pretty even.
We need ALB back at centre where he can see a strategise. We need Goodhue back at 12 (I know that's not popular and I would be happy to see the two swap around.
It goes without saying that we need Nugget especially if we insist on playing in the faces of a rushing line.
Incredible defensive effort. I can't believe those stats if they say BBBR made less than 18 tackles.
On the coaching front we desperately need Tony Brown to run our attack. It astounds me that for a country so full of skilful players we don't use those skills in clever ways and continue to rely on freakish instincts. Where are our wraparounds, our double cuts from deep, our angled runs from fullback?
Pissed off now and hoping things don't come in bunches. Early waking, no sleep and losses don't go together.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this!@dan54 said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Players of a known quantity are underperforming, new players don't cut the mustard. That's on the coach.Also, even if that doesn't solve everything, what other option is there?
Foster is the inbred grandson of a once great King. Only there because of what his ancestors did, and even his father wasn't all that great.
How about we all give credit to a very bloody great performance by the Irish! They were great, that was a bloody great test, and we were beaten by a better team. I obviously am a little disappointed but not going to go into depression!
I think test rugby is alive and well after seeing games like this!1 million %
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew We need someone like Robertson. He knows how to get the best out of players.
My concern is that Robertson won't make that much difference and we've effectively shared the headless-chicken stuff from the field to the coaches office.
Something has gone badly wrong in the last 4 years. The only good thing to come from this game is it might make people sit up and ask some hard questions - players, coaches and NZRFU management
I suspect it runs a bit deeper than just the coach (but in saying that I’m not saying fozzie is the best man for the job .)
Blowing teams off the park with razzle dazzle isn’t as easy as it was and I think it’s largely due to the improvement in the opposition dealing with what we tend to do well .
The nh sides now look far more than well rounded than they used to, and we can look a bit like one trick poneys in our approach to the game
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
(but in saying that I’m not saying fozzie is the best man for the job .)
Neither am I. I think he might have inherited a shit-show from Hansen, knew it was a shit show but hasn't shown me anything he's capable of fixing it. That's assuming a coach is capable of fixing the problems, which might run deeper.
I'm just a bit concerned changing the coach could well just paper over the cracks for a year or two and push the problems down the road.
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I haven't read the thread but for me it wasn't our forwards that are putting us in these spots it is the lack of brains in the backs.
I think that if BB and ALB had stayed on the field we would have had a shot at scraping a win but RM, Havili, RI just don't have any smarts firstly with the rush defence and secondly with making good decisions. You don't expect smarts on the wing and our wingers today delivered on that expectation. They looked like possums in the headlights at times. JB was about the only back that looked at home but he adds little in directing play.
Ireland played extremely well so I don't want to take any credit from them but considering how well they played and how poorly we did the scores were pretty even.
We need ALB back at centre where he can see a strategise. We need Goodhue back at 12 (I know that's not popular and I would be happy to see the two swap around.
It goes without saying that we need Nugget especially if we insist on playing in the faces of a rushing line.
Incredible defensive effort. I can't believe those stats if they say BBBR made less than 18 tackles.
On the coaching front we desperately need Tony Brown to run our attack. It astounds me that for a country so full of skilful players we don't use those skills in clever ways and continue to rely on freakish instincts. Where are our wraparounds, our double cuts from deep, our angled runs from fullback?
Pissed off now and hoping things don't come in bunches. Early waking, no sleep and losses don't go together.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
I think that if BB and ALB had stayed on the field we would have had a shot at scraping a win but RM, Havili, RI just don't have any smarts firstly with the rush defence and secondly with making good decisions. You don't expect smarts on the wing and our wingers today delivered on that expectation. They looked like possums in the headlights at times. JB was about the only back that looked at home but he adds little in directing play.
Nailed it. Agree 100%
Incredible defensive effort.
The one plus from the game. Keep the defence team if Foster goes.
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Lots of good comments on how our props aren't up to standard, the cupboard is bare at No.9, apart from RM & BB there's little depth at 10 and there's a lack of experience at 12/13.
It there anyone at the NZRFU looking forward?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Lots of good comments on how our props aren't up to standard, the cupboard is bare at No.9, apart from RM & BB there's little depth at 10 and there's a lack of experience at 12/13.
It there anyone at the NZRFU looking forward?
Apart from that all is good
