All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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It’s not normal. The McCaw era was awesome but the ABs were awesome fo a very long time before he was even born.
I don’t mind being beaten by a better side. Which is what happened today. But it’s the manner of the defeat that shows we aren’t learning or progressing or maybe even able to change this type of defeat from happening.
@dagrubster 5 years since first being exposed by a good rush defence and still can't deal with it
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@dagrubster 5 years since first being exposed by a good rush defence and still can't deal with it
@taniwharugby only one way to deal with a rush defence. ABs did it in first Lions test in 2017. And never again.
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The way the NZR conducted the interview process meant that hardly any Nz coach ran for it apart from Fozzie and Robertson who was an NZR employee and available.
One of the most prestigious jobs in world rugby and they are advertising it in the papers. Joke process and it was an open secret that Foster had the job. Most coaches had to secure the next contract way before the interviews took place.
@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The way the NZR conducted the interview process meant that hardly any Nz coach ran for it apart from Fozzie and Robertson who was an NZR employee and available.
and the coaching groups were weak. if my memory is correct jason holland was in robertsons team?.
as i said before brad mooar needs to go dont know who we can get but our attack is non existent. if that is the best he can come up with to brake dow the irish we are in trouble. -
Can anyone be surprised at this result? We don't get enough from our props and our loose forwards don't combine enough with the tight five to go narrow and draw defenders in.
You simply can't play rugby at this level without the ball. A game plan that revolves around 50:50 kicks in your own half is just fucking stupid. Get into their half, secure possession, break down their defence.
We also seem enamoured with players who look great playing on dry tracks in summer. It's a long tour but Havili has gone backwards to the point he should already be occupying a space in MIQ. TJP manages to come back from Japan straight into the team and is terrible. Unsurprisingly. NZ just isn't adequately developing players at the SR level.
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@taniwharugby only one way to deal with a rush defence. ABs did it in first Lions test in 2017. And never again.
@stodders and looked likely in the 2nd until SBW...since then though
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The way the NZR conducted the interview process meant that hardly any Nz coach ran for it apart from Fozzie and Robertson who was an NZR employee and available.
and the coaching groups were weak. if my memory is correct jason holland was in robertsons team?.
as i said before brad mooar needs to go dont know who we can get but our attack is non existent. if that is the best he can come up with to brake dow the irish we are in trouble.Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
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Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
Brown was approached by Foster too but he was loyal to Joseph.
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The big problem is that there aren't too many other options.
The cupboard is bare at prop, lock (BBBR and SW now look old), halfback (behind Smith), 1st and 2nd Five.
Centre is better with Goodhue and PUJ as possible options.
LHP : Hodgman. Not better than the current ones.
THP : Cupboard totally bare.
Lock : S. Barrett and Tuipolutu ?
Halfback : Fakatava and Ratima maybe
1st Five : Ioane, Hunt ? Inferior to BB and RM IMO
2nd Five : PUJ, Nankivell, TUJ ? -
Highlights with Irish commentary. Ruling out of Akira Ioane try very harsh. Forward pass not clear and obvious.
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@taniwharugby only one way to deal with a rush defence. ABs did it in first Lions test in 2017. And never again.
Not true. We face rush defences in virtually every test. It’s when we fail to impose ourselves on a forward pack first to give us the additional space/time we need to beat it
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
Brown was approached by Foster too but he was loyal to Joseph.
Yes he was and you have to admire that decision.
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@duluth Havili shoved out of the way off the ball before the Dorris try. Created the gap. Try shouldn't have stood.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth Havili shoved out of the way off the ball before the Dorris try. Created the gap. Try shouldn't have stood.
I thought that when watching live but then the replay from behind didn't show it so I thought I was overthinking.
Before the run was even made I thought 'illegal cleanout away from the ball" then wondered if that opened a channel. -
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth Havili shoved out of the way off the ball before the Dorris try. Created the gap. Try shouldn't have stood.
I thought that when watching live but then the replay from behind didn't show it so I thought I was overthinking.
Before the run was even made I thought 'illegal cleanout away from the ball" then wondered if that opened a channel. -
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
No, it was early morning eyesight. Just watched replay and the break was from the next ruck. Havili was pushed away at the previous but it had no effect.
The bleating at the ref did us no favours as he ignored it even when he should have taken action.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
No, it was early morning eyesight. Just watched replay and the break was from the next ruck. Havili was pushed away at the previous but it had no effect.
The bleating at the ref did us no favours as he ignored it even when he should have taken action.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
No, it was early morning eyesight. Just watched replay and the break was from the next ruck. Havili was pushed away at the previous but it had no effect.
The bleating at the ref did us no favours as he ignored it even when he should have taken action.
Pearce did a great job at telling Sexton to piss off.
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Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
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Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
I like Whitelock as a player and he seems to be an OK skip most of the time but he goes missing in games like this as a captain.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
2 more comments.
Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
I like Whitelock as a player and he seems to be an OK skip most of the time but he goes missing in games like this as a captain.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
2 more comments.
Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
I like Whitelock as a player and he seems to be an OK skip most of the time but he goes missing in games like this as a captain.
probably no one else who could step up though, except maybe Sam Cane.
Also, want to shout out again to Dalton Papali'i who has quietly put together an incredible season. last year if you'd suggested he would be one of the AB standouts and a lock in the 7 jersey you would have been laughed at. What a player.
