All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour
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@taniwharugby only one way to deal with a rush defence. ABs did it in first Lions test in 2017. And never again.
@stodders and looked likely in the 2nd until SBW...since then though
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
The way the NZR conducted the interview process meant that hardly any Nz coach ran for it apart from Fozzie and Robertson who was an NZR employee and available.
and the coaching groups were weak. if my memory is correct jason holland was in robertsons team?.
as i said before brad mooar needs to go dont know who we can get but our attack is non existent. if that is the best he can come up with to brake dow the irish we are in trouble.Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
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Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
Brown was approached by Foster too but he was loyal to Joseph.
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The big problem is that there aren't too many other options.
The cupboard is bare at prop, lock (BBBR and SW now look old), halfback (behind Smith), 1st and 2nd Five.
Centre is better with Goodhue and PUJ as possible options.
LHP : Hodgman. Not better than the current ones.
THP : Cupboard totally bare.
Lock : S. Barrett and Tuipolutu ?
Halfback : Fakatava and Ratima maybe
1st Five : Ioane, Hunt ? Inferior to BB and RM IMO
2nd Five : PUJ, Nankivell, TUJ ? -
Highlights with Irish commentary. Ruling out of Akira Ioane try very harsh. Forward pass not clear and obvious.
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@taniwharugby only one way to deal with a rush defence. ABs did it in first Lions test in 2017. And never again.
Not true. We face rush defences in virtually every test. It’s when we fail to impose ourselves on a forward pack first to give us the additional space/time we need to beat it
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@dagrubster said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Yes, his coaching group wasn’t as strong. Tony brown pulling out late hurt him there
Brown was approached by Foster too but he was loyal to Joseph.
Yes he was and you have to admire that decision.
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@duluth Havili shoved out of the way off the ball before the Dorris try. Created the gap. Try shouldn't have stood.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth Havili shoved out of the way off the ball before the Dorris try. Created the gap. Try shouldn't have stood.
I thought that when watching live but then the replay from behind didn't show it so I thought I was overthinking.
Before the run was even made I thought 'illegal cleanout away from the ball" then wondered if that opened a channel. -
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@duluth Havili shoved out of the way off the ball before the Dorris try. Created the gap. Try shouldn't have stood.
I thought that when watching live but then the replay from behind didn't show it so I thought I was overthinking.
Before the run was even made I thought 'illegal cleanout away from the ball" then wondered if that opened a channel. -
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
No, it was early morning eyesight. Just watched replay and the break was from the next ruck. Havili was pushed away at the previous but it had no effect.
The bleating at the ref did us no favours as he ignored it even when he should have taken action.
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
No, it was early morning eyesight. Just watched replay and the break was from the next ruck. Havili was pushed away at the previous but it had no effect.
The bleating at the ref did us no favours as he ignored it even when he should have taken action.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@crucial Clever, sneaky stuff from Ireland. Turned the whole game. Next time the ABs are officiated by Luke Pearce, they need to be prepared to bleat like soccer players.
No, it was early morning eyesight. Just watched replay and the break was from the next ruck. Havili was pushed away at the previous but it had no effect.
The bleating at the ref did us no favours as he ignored it even when he should have taken action.
Pearce did a great job at telling Sexton to piss off.
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Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
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Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
I like Whitelock as a player and he seems to be an OK skip most of the time but he goes missing in games like this as a captain.
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
2 more comments.
Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
I like Whitelock as a player and he seems to be an OK skip most of the time but he goes missing in games like this as a captain.
@crucial said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@majorrage said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
2 more comments.
Refs decisions were excellent. Too slow, too many replays but his job was done fine.
The lack of a McCaw was telling. We played like dickheads and nobody was there to say so.
I like Whitelock as a player and he seems to be an OK skip most of the time but he goes missing in games like this as a captain.
probably no one else who could step up though, except maybe Sam Cane.
Also, want to shout out again to Dalton Papali'i who has quietly put together an incredible season. last year if you'd suggested he would be one of the AB standouts and a lock in the 7 jersey you would have been laughed at. What a player.
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Just watched the first half. Very passive defense from All Blacks, and poor ball carrying and security. Ireland dominated collisions.
Blackadder is a mediocre seven playing at blindside. Busy, but ineffective tackling and ball carrying. Retallick's ball carrying is awful. He better get a lot better next year. Savea ineffective.
Perenara is a terrible halfback, but an excellent defensive player.
Who took the quick tap from the 22? Idiot.
Papalii best AB on the field.
With our weak ball carrying pack, we need a ball carrying 12 and a power wing. We have neither.
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Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.
not so sure.
Both coming back from offseasons; Retallick in particular I back ot get back to fitness. Super next year should be interesting to see who really gets galvanised by this.
in some ways, this is the post-nut clarity of losing so many legends in 2015. The dropoff has been massive
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@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.
not so sure.
Both coming back from offseasons; Retallick in particular I back ot get back to fitness. Super next year should be interesting to see who really gets galvanised by this.
in some ways, this is the post-nut clarity of losing so many legends in 2015. The dropoff has been massive
@nzzp said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
@sparky said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:
Not sure either Whitelock or Retallick are going to be first-choice by the time of the next RWC.
not so sure.
Both coming back from offseasons; Retallick in particular I back ot get back to fitness. Super next year should be interesting to see who really gets galvanised by this.
in some ways, this is the post-nut clarity of losing so many legends in 2015. The dropoff has been massive
Eerily similar to 1997 when ABs lost a lot of world class players. What happened after that?
