All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour

[broughie]

@no-quarter I agree but the problem is there’s were a couple times when he came on he seem to be alone and was isolated. Not his problem but I think our ineffectual pack does not know how to graft around the rucks. I would have picked him.

[Nevorian]

I think an Aaron Smith at 80% would have made a difference- that’s how good he is

[broughie]

@nevorian I understand how good smith is but behind our pack he would have struggled.

[canefan]

@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nevorian I understand how good smith is but behind our pack he would have struggled.

He would have at least guided them around the park better

[Nevorian]

@broughie said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nevorian I understand how good smith is but behind our pack he would have struggled.

I think he would have organised the pack more, demanded more of them

[Steven Harris]

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[NTA]

Watching back now.

Based on the ~100 minutes of two games I've watched, the combination of TMO and broadcaster aren't painting a very good picture of impartiality.

[taniwharugby]

@nevorian yep, him getting 5% more from them and quicker service will alter things immensely for our attack and fringe defence

[Marty]

TJ quoted in Stuff "Other teams will look at the way Ireland played, look at how many phases they went through and think, ‘man, if we can take the ball away from the All Blacks we make it harder for them to win football games’"

Jesus, ya think? This has only been the common theme of every defeat suffered by this team for the last five years. Thanks for finally noticing, please be sure to pass your intel on to Fozzie.

[MN5]

@nevorian said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

I think an Aaron Smith at 80% would have made a difference- that’s how good he is

Fair call, TJP at 120% might have made the score a bit closer too

[Steven Harris]

@nta been happening for a while now , some broadcasters milk it big time , they know they will get crowd reaction.

[NTA]

@steven-harris said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nta been happening for a while now , some broadcasters milk it big time , they know they will get crowd reaction.

Seem to remember it happening to us in NZ as well - try to ?Speight? called back after it was rulled DHP had run Savea off his line.

Only took the Sky OB director three replays on the big screen to get the TMO involved

In all seriousness, it isn't a good look for anyone and shows that replays are a double edged sword. Against England, Samu gets done after a replay for a high tackle.

Ok.

The week before at Murrayfield, Alaalatoa got done for his clumsy cleanout. But in the ball carrier action right before he got done, there was a clear high tackle from Scotland, pretty much identical to Samu. No action taken.

I don't want the game to become grid iron.

[MN5]

@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

Lowe and JGP are Maori. Not white guys with Irish grannies but Maori, facing the haka and winning. Fucking hilarious. This is the future the NZRU chose with Foster.

I still can’t get over a guy called Sione Tuipulotu playing for Scotland.

[Big Bok]

I am surprised that, unusually, I am unable to find many positives in an AB performance. Thankfully there was at least one - WJ's try. Another is the opportunity to learn from ones mistakes.

The biggest is the Springbok disease of excessive and aimless kicking. The ABs have punished them time and again for it so why afford Ireland the same opportunity?

It does not hurt to have too much grunt up front in a test match or any rugby game for that matter. Against any serious opposition Ardie must start.

[Nevorian]

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nevorian yep, him getting 5% more from them and quicker service will alter things immensely for our attack and fringe defence

It is all about taking the opportunity and backing yourselves more,, on a couple of occasions there whereTJ decided to kick on turnovers where I think Smith would have counterattacked

Also I liked how DP set up the CT try, he was probably expecting to come around the line out and run into contact, but saw the gap and made an early decision to back himself and accelerate and knowing that there would be support with him, a sign that he is growing into his role more

[nostrildamus]

@profitius said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

Ireland played like a Schmidt-coached and drilled team to my ignorant eyes but with more steel in the attack and defense. Is that also the opinion of the Irish fans?
IMO Farrell is an excellent defense coach. Which is a bit surprising given how his son tackles.

No. They stopped playing the Schmidt way at the end of the last 6 nations against England. Farrell tore up the Schmidt script and got them playing with pace and moving the ball more.

Thanks, I did notice they made our forwards look like 2nd rate plodders.

[nostrildamus]

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

Some tackle stats:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100

(Akira: 0 - 0 )

Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79

I saw Akira make dominant tackles.

Updated tackles stats (there is apparently a considerable delay).
Remember that not all players played the same number of minutes:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 29 - 1 - 97
Sam Whitelock: 24 - 0 - 100
Blackadder: 20 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95

(Akira: 3 - 0 - 100)

Best backs:
Mo'unga: 14 - 0 - 100
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 13 - 3 - 81

Not your fault if you did not know the stats had not been completed but it's misleading to quote or publish stats before they are complete. Esp in the case of Akira off the bench.

[Machpants]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

Some tackle stats:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100

(Akira: 0 - 0 )

Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79

I saw Akira make dominant tackles.

Updated tackles stats (there is apparently a considerable delay).
Remember that not all players played the same number of minutes:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 29 - 1 - 97
Sam Whitelock: 24 - 0 - 100
Blackadder: 20 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95

(Akira: 3 - 0 - 100)

Best backs:
Mo'unga: 14 - 0 - 100
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 13 - 3 - 81

Not your fault if you did not know the stats had not been completed but it's misleading to quote or publish stats before they are complete. Esp in the case of Akira off the bench.

The stats for the ABs are so bad, that ESPN are too ashamed to even list the game!

[nostrildamus]

@machpants said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

Some tackle stats:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100

(Akira: 0 - 0 )

Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79

I saw Akira make dominant tackles.

Updated tackles stats (there is apparently a considerable delay).
Remember that not all players played the same number of minutes:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 29 - 1 - 97
Sam Whitelock: 24 - 0 - 100
Blackadder: 20 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95

(Akira: 3 - 0 - 100)

Best backs:
Mo'unga: 14 - 0 - 100
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 13 - 3 - 81

Not your fault if you did not know the stats had not been completed but it's misleading to quote or publish stats before they are complete. Esp in the case of Akira off the bench.

The stats for the ABs are so bad, that ESPN are too ashamed to even list the game!

I have spent my rest day asking myself if I am too hard on the coaches.
After reflection and some existential food shopping (looks for that bottle of grigio) I am convinced it is clearly coaching, the same issues in the same key positions against good sides no matter who is playing.
Especially in the loosies which I think we all believed was a strength at the start of the season, they are not cohesive, easily stranded, and reduced to individual heroics. Ethan and Akira and sometimes Ardie look like they need personal training on how to work with the rest of the team.
One plus, I think we have a clearer idea on hookers, but locks? Oh dear.

Several players are constantly out of position (I don't think I need to tell you who) and even in the lineouts we are about as unpredictable as Ian Foster's dress sense.
A coach has to go. The issues we saw against Fiji have not gone away. Some signs were in games against the Argies and the Wallabies and crystal clear against the Boks and the Irish. So what did the wise men do? Tell us how prepared they are.

This includes reselecting TJP, cutting A Smith's rest short, playing JB at wing, and selecting the steady if non-catch version hands of George Smoking Joe Smith whenever possible even though he is out of form, lost confidence, and makes Caleb Ralph look like Usain Bolt or Jack Goodhue look like Roadrunner. And they did not try established midfielders but recuperating food bill and sometimes winger Ennor at centre. Plus I think they timed bench replacements well about once this year?

We are no closer to a suitable test class tight head and I can't tell you what their no. 10 policy is. At 9 they certainly don't seem to place much emphasis on passing the ball. We seem to have played ourselves out of long-term 12 and 13 options (I still like Quinn Tupaea)and they will just put ALB where there is a gap to mop up mistakes rather than trying to establish his key skills.

[Nevorian]

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

@stargazer said in All Blacks v Ireland, 2021 NH Tour:

Some tackle stats:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 23 - 1 - 96
Blackadder: 19 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95
Sam Whitelock: 17 - 0 - 100

(Akira: 0 - 0 )

Best backs:
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100
Mo'unga: 11 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 11 - 3 - 79

I saw Akira make dominant tackles.

Updated tackles stats (there is apparently a considerable delay).
Remember that not all players played the same number of minutes:

Tackles made - tackles missed - tackle %

Best:
Papalii: 29 - 1 - 97
Sam Whitelock: 24 - 0 - 100
Blackadder: 20 - 1 - 95
Joe Moody: 18 - 1 - 95

(Akira: 3 - 0 - 100)

Best backs:
Mo'unga: 14 - 0 - 100
ALB: 12 - 0 - 100

Worst:
Laulala: 16 - 5 - 76
Reece: 13 - 3 - 81

Not your fault if you did not know the stats had not been completed but it's misleading to quote or publish stats before they are complete. Esp in the case of Akira off the bench.

I am sure I saw Mo’unga miss a tackle