All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour

Chris

@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

I think one of the good bits of Robertson's CV was the u20 JWC win in 2015. NZ hadn't won it for a few years at that point, but he selected and coached a good team that year. He even had a certain Akira Ioane playing at no 8

He also coached the U20s to their worst finish (until Philpott, who also won the title) the following year. Ironically, I remember the 2016 U20 forward pack being outmuscled by Ireland.

Coaching U/20s is tough as you have a limited player pool, depending on the strength of players in the particular age groups coming through.The years are inclined to go in cycles one or 2 good years then some bad ones.

Bovidae

@chris Shows how good Rennie was then.

stodders

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@billy-tell said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@crucial said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

Judging by Foster's comments recently I doubt we are going to see much change in the 23 apart from enforced ones.

Starting Smith is definitely an option, so is another rejig of the loosies. The midfield/bench is an enforced change as is the playmaker cover.

I expect to see something close to....

Joe Moody

Dane Coles

Nepo Laulala

Brodie Retallick

Samuel Whitelock – captain

Dalton Papalii

Sam Cane

Ardie Savea

Aaron Smith1

Richie Mo’unga

Sevu Reece

Quinn Tupaea

Rieko Ioane (45)

Will Jordan

Jordie Barrett

Samisoni Taukei'aho

Karl Tu’inukuafe

Ofa Tuungafasi

Tupou Vaa’i

Akira Ioane

TJ Perenara

David Havili

Damien McKenzie

I really really don’t see the point of tu’inukuafe. It was a heartwarming little story at the start when he first made the ABs but he is just not good enough.

For some reason he looks amazingly unfit on the field.

The props need a big overhaul imho, a real weakness at the moment.

I find it odd that of all countries, it's NZ that has an issue finding props who can scrum and run with the ball.

De Groot is developing nicely. What happened to Atu Moli?

There are some promising ones coming through as well, no? How is Tamaiti Williams going? Alex Hodgman?

Chris

@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris Shows how good Rennie was then.

It probably does, would not be unhappy to see him as AB coach either.

Duluth

@tim said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-issue-with-starting-ethan-blackadder-in-the-all-blacks-back-row/

Thanks for posting that, an interesting article. Good to see a journalist actually discuss the different roles

antipodean

@chris said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@bovidae said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@chris Shows how good Rennie was then.

It probably does, would not be unhappy to see him as AB coach either.

Certainly he's got the Wallaby forwards playing better than they were.

Duluth

All the comments about the French Test are getting crowded out. Can we keep this thread about selections for this week etc?

More general stuff about changing coaches etc can go in the AB 2021 thread

mariner4life

lots of chat about the props being shit but Joe Moody not being mentioned once. What exactly does Joe Moody bring? Other than a couple of penalties a game?

His running game has gone. He's hardly moving furniture at ruck time, and he's not exactly beating up on tightheads at scrum time either

None of our props are worth a fucking thing at the moment, other than holding our ball steady at scrum time.

mariner4life

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

All the comments about the French Test are getting crowded out. Can we keep this thread about selections for this week etc?

More general stuff about changing coaches etc can go in the AB 2021 thread

and to bring it around to this

i would cut Foster an awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Duluth

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

i would cut Foster an awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

mariner4life

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

yep. Change at least one loose forward (i would change 2, actually probably 3) as well.

Fuck all you can do at prop except bring Ofa T in and hope he keeps his brain connected

Duluth

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

yep. Change at least one loose forward (i would change 2, actually probably 3) as well.

Fuck all you can do at prop except bring Ofa T in and hope he keeps his brain connected

I like the idea of dropping Retallick for Vaa'i. It sends a signal that no one is safe if they don't perform

Surely QT will start?

I'd start Coles and have ST on the bench. Taylor has earned a demotion.

Loosies - Cane/Savea/Ioane with Papali'i on the bench. I hope Cane is ready for a hard Test..

Props? No idea. They are all a bit shit. Ofa has been disappointing since returning from injury.

stodders

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

yep. Change at least one loose forward (i would change 2, actually probably 3) as well.

Fuck all you can do at prop except bring Ofa T in and hope he keeps his brain connected

I like the idea of dropping Retallick for Vaa'i. It sends a signal that no one is safe if they don't perform

Surely QT will start?

I'd start Coles and have ST on the bench. Taylor has earned a demotion.

Loosies - Cane/Savea/Ioane with Papali'i on the bench. I hope Cane is ready for a hard Test..

Props? No idea. They are all a bit shit. Ofa has been disappointing since returning from injury.

De Groot? Too soon?

mariner4life

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

yep. Change at least one loose forward (i would change 2, actually probably 3) as well.

Fuck all you can do at prop except bring Ofa T in and hope he keeps his brain connected

I like the idea of dropping Retallick for Vaa'i. It sends a signal that no one is safe if they don't perform

Surely QT will start?

I'd start Coles and have ST on the bench. Taylor has earned a demotion.

Loosies - Cane/Savea/Ioane with Papali'i on the bench. I hope Cane is ready for a hard Test..

Props? No idea. They are all a bit shit. Ofa has been disappointing since returning from injury.

yea, i would start Ioane, Cane, and Sotutu actually. With one of Papali'i or Blackadder on the bench (both bloody good players who are both still learning).

Savea should be on the chopping block if we're serious. But he will start, because there isn't much in the way of accountability.

Duluth

@stodders said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

yep. Change at least one loose forward (i would change 2, actually probably 3) as well.

Fuck all you can do at prop except bring Ofa T in and hope he keeps his brain connected

I like the idea of dropping Retallick for Vaa'i. It sends a signal that no one is safe if they don't perform

Surely QT will start?

I'd start Coles and have ST on the bench. Taylor has earned a demotion.

Loosies - Cane/Savea/Ioane with Papali'i on the bench. I hope Cane is ready for a hard Test..

Props? No idea. They are all a bit shit. Ofa has been disappointing since returning from injury.

De Groot? Too soon?

Maybe. I suspect the selectors will go for experience in the front row though

antipodean

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

yep. Change at least one loose forward (i would change 2, actually probably 3) as well.

Fuck all you can do at prop except bring Ofa T in and hope he keeps his brain connected

I like the idea of dropping Retallick for Vaa'i. It sends a signal that no one is safe if they don't perform

Surely QT will start?

I'd start Coles and have ST on the bench. Taylor has earned a demotion.

Loosies - Cane/Savea/Ioane with Papali'i on the bench. I hope Cane is ready for a hard Test..

Props? No idea. They are all a bit shit. Ofa has been disappointing since returning from injury.

yea, i would start Ioane, Cane, and Sotutu actually. With one of Papali'i or Blackadder on the bench (both bloody good players who are both still learning).

Savea should be on the chopping block if we're serious. But he will start, because there isn't much in the way of accountability.

That Ardie is seen as indispensable sums up the problems. We were told at the outset they were going to address our passiveness and yet he's named constantly.

Chris

@antipodean said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@duluth said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

awful lot of slack if he chucked the baby out with the bathwater this week and just threw newbies in there everywhere. Lets see what they are made of.

Vaa'i, Tupaea, Taukei'aho?

yep. Change at least one loose forward (i would change 2, actually probably 3) as well.

Fuck all you can do at prop except bring Ofa T in and hope he keeps his brain connected

I like the idea of dropping Retallick for Vaa'i. It sends a signal that no one is safe if they don't perform

Surely QT will start?

I'd start Coles and have ST on the bench. Taylor has earned a demotion.

Loosies - Cane/Savea/Ioane with Papali'i on the bench. I hope Cane is ready for a hard Test..

Props? No idea. They are all a bit shit. Ofa has been disappointing since returning from injury.

yea, i would start Ioane, Cane, and Sotutu actually. With one of Papali'i or Blackadder on the bench (both bloody good players who are both still learning).

Savea should be on the chopping block if we're serious. But he will start, because there isn't much in the way of accountability.

That Ardie is seen as indispensable sums up the problems. We were told at the outset they were going to address our passiveness and yet he's named constantly.

A coach fav at No.8 according to Foster.
Savea on the bench or at 7 if starting
I wouldn’t mind seeing Akira at 8.

Frank

This thread reads like a lot of the threads on GAGR after the Wobblies have once again being smacked by us. All about selection changes chopping and changing from week to week.
A real sign of desperation.

Chris

@frank said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:

This thread reads like a lot of the threads on GAGR after the Wobblies have once again being smacked by us. All about selection changes chopping and changing from week to week.
A real sign of desperation.

Better coaching,with a decent winning game plan would be better.

Frank

Well, the story in the Herald announced how good the team feels after the review with Moody saying there was nothing wrong with the gameplan and Sam Cane saying they feel great for a bounce back. If we get smacked by France, then we know we are in real trouble.

The Silver Fern

All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour