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Really good doco on Prime last night about the recovery project. I don't even know if it was a repeat and I had missed it previously or something that was 'under-promoted'.
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I think firstly they have to confirm that there are remains that are able to be retrieved. Secondly they would have to fully ventilate the workings to reduce risk of another explosion. Maybe vice versa as robots or drones could spark another fire. The likely hood of remains would be low with the air currently in there being quite acidic, but their full underground mining apparel may have helped preserve them slightly
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@jc said in Pike river:
Did you read the article or think back to the debate of 5 years ago?
This is now well into a police operation not to recover bodies but to gather evidence now that entry is well off the table. The fact that, as yet, no one has been held accountable for such a tragic workplace accident is terrible. Not because of punishment or retribution but because without a prosecution the system of workplace safety for everyone else is undermined.
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@crucial said in Pike river:
@jc said in Pike river:
Did you read the article or think back to the debate of 5 years ago?
This is now well into a police operation not to recover bodies but to gather evidence now that entry is well off the table. The fact that, as yet, no one has been held accountable for such a tragic workplace accident is terrible. Not because of punishment or retribution but because without a prosecution the system of workplace safety for everyone else is undermined.
Didn't they change the Health and Safety legislation specifically in response to Pike River? Wasn't the entire Worksafe structure a result of the Royal Commission? How can a workplace safety regime put in place in response to Pike River be undermined by lack of a prosecution for events that happened before its existence?
All that's left is punishment and retribution.
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@jc said in Pike river:
Didn't they change the Health and Safety legislation specifically in response to Pike River? Wasn't the entire Worksafe structure a result of the Royal Commission?
Yeah the Health and Safety in the Workplace Act 2015 was in response to PIke River.
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@jc said in Pike river:
@crucial said in Pike river:
@jc said in Pike river:
Did you read the article or think back to the debate of 5 years ago?
This is now well into a police operation not to recover bodies but to gather evidence now that entry is well off the table. The fact that, as yet, no one has been held accountable for such a tragic workplace accident is terrible. Not because of punishment or retribution but because without a prosecution the system of workplace safety for everyone else is undermined.
Didn't they change the Health and Safety legislation specifically in response to Pike River? Wasn't the entire Worksafe structure a result of the Royal Commission? How can a workplace safety regime put in place in response to Pike River be undermined by lack of a prosecution for events that happened before its existence?
All that's left is punishment and retribution.
Or justice?
I take your point on the changes to laws but I still think that watching governments and agencies tie themselves in knots to avoid prosecutions is not a good thing for any sector.
There is a well documented chain of actions and in-actions (some legal, some not) that have prevented anyone being held accountable. The conspiracy theorists will point fingers at Andrew Little but it can't be just that as both main political parties have bent over backwards to try and make this go away.
The Police are the last bastion and are exhausting a search for physical evidence of the cause to see if that can bring some end to things. Maybe the conspiracy theorists will say that this is window dressing to shut the questions down once and for all but it smacks more of tenacity and independence to me.It was quite funny reading back in this thread at the scorn poured on leftards for supporting the family positions when it actually played out that it looks to be Labour and the Unions that have the biggest reason for the truth to disappear quietly.
I think @jegga may love to see Little and the Unions carry a portion of the can here.
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@donsteppa plus will there be some division start between families of those recovered and those not...
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@taniwharugby said in Pike river:
@donsteppa plus will there be some division start between families of those recovered and those not...
There’s no recovery.
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@crucial Whether the unions carry blame or not I think this should be let go now. If I sat on a jury there is no chance I would convict anybody of anything this long after the fact because I don’t believe anybody involved can give an honest and comprehensive account of things that happened 11 or more years ago. Especially when the root causes are unlikely to be a single smoking gun moment, but rather the aggregation of dozens of individually meaningless missed opportunities that only seem obvious contributors in retrospect. So what’s the point here? Sure people want to blame someone, that’s human nature, but that’s not necessarily justice.
To be fair to the scorn poured on the leftists I think it was more the political opportunism of promising something that was unlikely to be delivered and the obvious loss of any budgetary control.
And conspiracy theorists? Fuck ‘em. Don’t feed the fever.
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@crucial said in Pike river:
Or justice?
But how? We've had a royal commission of enquiry, the reasons for the high risk mine being there are well established. Rebecca Macfie wrote a very good book on the back of the evidence.
What I don't understand is what they thought they could find that would suddenly allow a prosecution -- and of whom? Honestly, people I know who knew tunnelling reckon the lads going in all knew exactly what they were getting into. Reading Macfie, it appears they were very very close to a safe, oeprating mine - like a few weeks away. And controlling flammable gas is part of mining... this was just a higher risk, more difficult mine.
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My opinion of this being a tragic work place accident changing to criminal neglect changed after listening to the Brady Heywood Podcast episodes on the incident.
› podcast
The Pike River Mine Disaster - Part 3 on Apple Podcasts(Really enjoy this podcast, and have used most of the Episodes as CPD.)
Regardlesa, there is little point trying to recover remains.
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So let me get this straight.....
National got expert advice, and based on that advice they decided re-entry into the mine was not possible
Labour made it an election promise to get into the mine and get the bodies out
Over a decade and countless millions later, a camera has revealed the bodies. But Labour says the mine is too dangerous to re-enter.....
Am I missing something here?
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@canefan said in Pike river:
Over a decade and countless millions later, a camera has revealed the bodies. But Labour says the mine is too dangerous to re-enter.....
The Herald in May this year said minimum $50M of direct costs, plus $10M fo police costs so far
Retreat from Pike River starting next week
The families of the 29 victims of the 2010 disaster were notified of the move on Friday.
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@canefan said in Pike river:
So let me get this straight.....
National got expert advice, and based on that advice they decided re-entry into the mine was not possible
Labour made it an election promise to get into the mine and get the bodies out
Over a decade and countless millions later, a camera has revealed the bodies. But Labour says the mine is too dangerous to re-enter.....
Am I missing something here?
Current activities are part of police investigations which are independent of cabinet, and are not being undertaken for the purpose of recovery of the bodies.
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@canefan said in Pike river:
So let me get this straight.....
National got expert advice, and based on that advice they decided re-entry into the mine was not possible
Labour made it an election promise to get
into the mine and get the bodies outremove current director liability as a reason to stop re-entry an have experts explore possibilities.Over a decade and countless millions later, a camera has revealed the bodies. But Labour says the mine is too dangerous to re-enter.....
Am I missing something here?
Still a load of money and still politicising it but different story.
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