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@Crucial said in Pike river:
@canefan said in Pike river:
@Crucial He is a very adept political survivor
Is he what! I think cockroaches recently sent a delegation to him for tips.
According to my cousin who used to work at Bellamy's he is a very good tipper. The later into the evening the bigger the tips!!
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@MajorRage except if it turns out it is perfectly safe, and he comes out a hero....
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Talking to a few coasters that are mates, they apparently only want to go into the 'Drift' to recover what is thought to be 3-6 bodies. The drift is relatively 'safe' apparently.
They agree it's a nonsense to think that they should go into mine proper to retreive others.
I asked what the story was in terms of teh communities down there rahter than the actual families themselves and that is the general feeling
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@Hooroo wouldn't that make it worse, recovering some bodies, but not all?
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@taniwharugby said in Pike river:
@Hooroo wouldn't that make it worse, recovering some bodies, but not all?
I don't know. I don't really have an opinion on it. Was just interested in what the locals thought rather than media and internet
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@Hooroo yeah I just wonder if that might cause division in the community with some getting their family back and some not...?
Whinny making hay
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Pike River protesters told to bugger off and their activites are illegal. I suspect they want police dragging them away on camera preferably if they can get someone like John Campbell to come down and cover only their side of the story.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11771265
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Really good doco on Prime last night about the recovery project. I don't even know if it was a repeat and I had missed it previously or something that was 'under-promoted'.
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I think firstly they have to confirm that there are remains that are able to be retrieved. Secondly they would have to fully ventilate the workings to reduce risk of another explosion. Maybe vice versa as robots or drones could spark another fire. The likely hood of remains would be low with the air currently in there being quite acidic, but their full underground mining apparel may have helped preserve them slightly
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@jc said in Pike river:
Did you read the article or think back to the debate of 5 years ago?
This is now well into a police operation not to recover bodies but to gather evidence now that entry is well off the table. The fact that, as yet, no one has been held accountable for such a tragic workplace accident is terrible. Not because of punishment or retribution but because without a prosecution the system of workplace safety for everyone else is undermined.
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@crucial said in Pike river:
@jc said in Pike river:
Did you read the article or think back to the debate of 5 years ago?
This is now well into a police operation not to recover bodies but to gather evidence now that entry is well off the table. The fact that, as yet, no one has been held accountable for such a tragic workplace accident is terrible. Not because of punishment or retribution but because without a prosecution the system of workplace safety for everyone else is undermined.
Didn't they change the Health and Safety legislation specifically in response to Pike River? Wasn't the entire Worksafe structure a result of the Royal Commission? How can a workplace safety regime put in place in response to Pike River be undermined by lack of a prosecution for events that happened before its existence?
All that's left is punishment and retribution.
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@jc said in Pike river:
Didn't they change the Health and Safety legislation specifically in response to Pike River? Wasn't the entire Worksafe structure a result of the Royal Commission?
Yeah the Health and Safety in the Workplace Act 2015 was in response to PIke River.
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@jc said in Pike river:
@crucial said in Pike river:
@jc said in Pike river:
Did you read the article or think back to the debate of 5 years ago?
This is now well into a police operation not to recover bodies but to gather evidence now that entry is well off the table. The fact that, as yet, no one has been held accountable for such a tragic workplace accident is terrible. Not because of punishment or retribution but because without a prosecution the system of workplace safety for everyone else is undermined.
Didn't they change the Health and Safety legislation specifically in response to Pike River? Wasn't the entire Worksafe structure a result of the Royal Commission? How can a workplace safety regime put in place in response to Pike River be undermined by lack of a prosecution for events that happened before its existence?
All that's left is punishment and retribution.
Or justice?
I take your point on the changes to laws but I still think that watching governments and agencies tie themselves in knots to avoid prosecutions is not a good thing for any sector.
There is a well documented chain of actions and in-actions (some legal, some not) that have prevented anyone being held accountable. The conspiracy theorists will point fingers at Andrew Little but it can't be just that as both main political parties have bent over backwards to try and make this go away.
The Police are the last bastion and are exhausting a search for physical evidence of the cause to see if that can bring some end to things. Maybe the conspiracy theorists will say that this is window dressing to shut the questions down once and for all but it smacks more of tenacity and independence to me.It was quite funny reading back in this thread at the scorn poured on leftards for supporting the family positions when it actually played out that it looks to be Labour and the Unions that have the biggest reason for the truth to disappear quietly.
I think @jegga may love to see Little and the Unions carry a portion of the can here.
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@donsteppa plus will there be some division start between families of those recovered and those not...
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@taniwharugby said in Pike river:
@donsteppa plus will there be some division start between families of those recovered and those not...
There’s no recovery.
Pike river
