2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA
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So I just spent two hours reading the decision.
What an absolute clusterfuck. Everyone is going to be unhappy with this. They basically found Erasmus guilty of lynching Nice Berry and then giving him a slap with a wet rag.
I hope to go into it in more detail, but the punishment is too light while the the factual findings are, largely, over the top.
@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What an absolute clusterfuck. Everyone is going to be unhappy with this.
... and the worst thing is, on the face of it he achieved what he set out to - to influence the refereeing teams! I hate that our game has become a sport where influencing the ref through media and other pressure is as important as actually playing.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What an absolute clusterfuck. Everyone is going to be unhappy with this.
... and the worst thing is, on the face of it he achieved what he set out to - to influence the refereeing teams! I hate that our game has become a sport where influencing the ref through media and other pressure is as important as actually playing.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nzzp an open door for whataboutism that I am just going to walk past...
It's wrong however does it, and I agree Hanson had a poor record of this as well.
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@kiwimurph classic World Rugby; 6 months later, a consequence.
@nzzp said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kiwimurph classic World Rugby; 6 months later, a consequence.
A ban from a sport that isn't played in the SH during those two months..? Not much of a consequence is it?
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What effect will it have?
I believe the practice of pre-game meetings between referees and teams was stopped because it turned into a shit fight of accusations.
Now this.
My first thought when the video was released, and not watching it but looking at the commentary around it:
"World Cup Champions or World Class Victims?"
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What effect will it have?
I believe the practice of pre-game meetings between referees and teams was stopped because it turned into a shit fight of accusations.
Now this.
My first thought when the video was released, and not watching it but looking at the commentary around it:
"World Cup Champions or World Class Victims?"
@nta said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What effect will it have?
I believe the practice of pre-game meetings between referees and teams was stopped because it turned into a shit fight of accusations.
Now this.
My first thought when the video was released, and not watching it but looking at the commentary around it:
"World Cup Champions or World Class Victims?"
World rugby really needs to address this and the larger problem of referee abuse and influencing. There needs to be meaningful sanction or we’ll be heading further down the soccer route.
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@nzzp said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kiwimurph classic World Rugby; 6 months later, a consequence.
A ban from a sport that isn't played in the SH during those two months..? Not much of a consequence is it?
@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nzzp said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kiwimurph classic World Rugby; 6 months later, a consequence.
A ban from a sport that isn't played in the SH during those two months..? Not much of a consequence is it?
also a ban on match-day involvement till September 30 next year.
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@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nzzp said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kiwimurph classic World Rugby; 6 months later, a consequence.
A ban from a sport that isn't played in the SH during those two months..? Not much of a consequence is it?
also a ban on match-day involvement till September 30 next year.
@kiwimurph Even then everything up until the match day. Presumably he can sit in the stands and have a runner passing messages at halftime?
He should just be banned from the sport for five years.
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@kiwimurph Even then everything up until the match day. Presumably he can sit in the stands and have a runner passing messages at halftime?
He should just be banned from the sport for five years.
@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kiwimurph Even then everything up until the match day. Presumably he can sit in the stands and have a runner passing messages at halftime?
He should just be banned from the sport for five years.
Or sit at home in his underpants with a full comms link into Nienaber
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@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kiwimurph Even then everything up until the match day. Presumably he can sit in the stands and have a runner passing messages at halftime?
He should just be banned from the sport for five years.
Or sit at home in his underpants with a full comms link into Nienaber
@stodders said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@antipodean said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kiwimurph Even then everything up until the match day. Presumably he can sit in the stands and have a runner passing messages at halftime?
He should just be banned from the sport for five years.
Or sit at home in his underpants with a full comms link into Nienaber
And this is the other problem, right? Nienaber looks like a puppet while Rassie is anywhere near the field. EDIT: or hooked up via FaceTime
Add in the constant invasion of the pitch by support staff - and I noticed the Wallabies Assistant Coaches have been out there a fair bit as well - and you're starting to get into Subbies Competition Rules where coaches can't enter the arena except during half time.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nzzp an open door for whataboutism that I am just going to walk past...
It's wrong however does it, and I agree Hanson had a poor record of this as well.
@kirwan all teams do it, a point admitted in the ruling.
There is a discussion on "the line", and it moving during the course of tour, which is one of the weaker parts of the decision.
There is a difference between whataboutism and asking for consistency. Whataboutism is about dismissing the argument because you the other person is a hypocrite whose opinion is invalid. Consistency is about defining what the rule is.
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There’s a big difference to trying to game the referee via the media, and blackmail. RE was found guilty of blackmail, yet get’s this pathetic punishment. It should be a life ban, or very long term. Fucking blackmail!
- threatened a match official that unless a requested meeting took place, he would publish footage containing clips criticising the match official’s performance and then making good on that threat; published or permitted to be published the Erasmus Video containing numerous comments that were either abusive, insulting and/or offensive to match officials;
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Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
From this statement and Machpants post above, can't help but think this is not a heavy enough sanction.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nzzp an open door for whataboutism that I am just going to walk past...
everyone does it, I just don't like it. I'd be very happy if the laws were clear enough that people didn't feel the need to try and influence the ref (I know that's a pipe dream).
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
From this statement and Machpants post above, can't help but think this is not a heavy enough sanction.
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@kirwan He didn't just threaten Berry - he threatened the credibility of the game as a whole. Should be a life ban.
@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kirwan He didn't just threaten Berry - he threatened the credibility of the game as a whole. Should be a life ban.
Life ban is probably a bit extreme, but could get behind 3 years and a massive fine for SA Rugby so they keep their coaches in line.
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Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
I'm surprised they made that public. I will point out his reputation as an international referee has been damaged by other elements than Rassie's idiotic whining...
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
I'm surprised they made that public. I will point out his reputation as an international referee has been damaged by other elements than Rassie's idiotic whining...
@antipodean I don't think the quality of refereeing is particularly great across the board. Berry isn't amazing but he's no worse than any of the others.
