All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@damo said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
One bad year when we lose 3 games and all of sudden the structures we have that have been so successful for so long are defective.?
Therein may lie the problem - the structures may no longer be free of considerable defects.
There seems a real lack of players who can keep their cool under pressure at Test level. Mo'unga and Havili may look like a million dollars at SR level but really, really struggle under pressure at Test level - as we have seen tonite and in other matches. Ball handling skills in the tight 5 seem to have dropped away as well.
But one year of mediocre results is not enough evidence to support the hypothesis. We are at the end of a long year, been away on a tour since god knows how long (since the 3rd Bledisloe in Perth) . In that tour we lost 3 times, and won 7.
No team in any sport can win every game every year every time.
The Green Bay Packers have the highest winning percentage in all games since 1921. Their win rate is 0.573.
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@nostrildamus I am trying to figure how I was associated with Foster? Definitely not on my Christmas list.
@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus I am trying to figure how I was associated with Foster? Definitely not on my Christmas list.
did I quote the wrong poster? sorry.
Edit I was replying to @mofitzy_ who in that post had your name not sure why. -
@mofitzy_ apologists? He's not bloody Hitler.
Nah there's some people calling out other issues with NZ rugby, no-one is saying he's coaching well though that I've seen
@delicatessen
No, but he never deserved the job based on his CV. No one likes seeing the bosses grandson get promoted over competent employees. Especially not when he is a dullard.Remind me how the Habsburg Empire went? Did incest work for them?
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@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.
When was the last time an AB coach was fired?
Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.
Why keep him?
I can't even remember the last time a Super coach was fired, if ever? Maybe Jed at the Blues?
@canefan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kirwan said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@bones said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Yeah how can Foster survive the summer? That was a joke.
When was the last time an AB coach was fired?
Poor selections, poor game plans and no improvements after poor games.
Why keep him?
I can't even remember the last time a Super coach was fired, if ever? Maybe Jed at the Blues?
Tana.
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So what is the deal with the forwards deciding to take it up the guts every now and then, and we suddenly look dominant? Is that them saying to hell with Fosters game plan and just doing what they want? I just don't understand why we wouldn't do it from the get go, we'd wear teams down and then run rampant in the 2nd 40 if we did. But instead we try to play Helter skelter bullshit from the start of the test which opposition defenses just eat up.
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
So what is the deal with the forwards deciding to take it up the guts every now and then, and we suddenly look dominant? Is that them saying to hell with Fosters game plan and just doing what they want? I just don't understand why we wouldn't do it from the get go, we'd wear teams down and then run rampant in the 2nd 40 if we did. But instead we try to play Helter skelter bullshit from the start of the test which opposition defenses just eat up.
Couldn’t agree more.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nostrildamus I am trying to figure how I was associated with Foster? Definitely not on my Christmas list.
did I quote the wrong poster? sorry.
Edit I was replying to @mofitzy_ who in that post had your name not sure why. -
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
So what is the deal with the forwards deciding to take it up the guts every now and then, and we suddenly look dominant? Is that them saying to hell with Fosters game plan and just doing what they want? I just don't understand why we wouldn't do it from the get go, we'd wear teams down and then run rampant in the 2nd 40 if we did. But instead we try to play Helter skelter bullshit from the start of the test which opposition defenses just eat up.
Couldn’t agree more.
@pakman said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
So what is the deal with the forwards deciding to take it up the guts every now and then, and we suddenly look dominant? Is that them saying to hell with Fosters game plan and just doing what they want? I just don't understand why we wouldn't do it from the get go, we'd wear teams down and then run rampant in the 2nd 40 if we did. But instead we try to play Helter skelter bullshit from the start of the test which opposition defenses just eat up.
Couldn’t agree more.
Designed to frustrate us? They try a (new) strategy, it works, so they abandon it..
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I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
Well... Yeah..
Sublime from the French. Ntamack made RM look like a nobody.
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm livid nzr extended Foster's contact before this tour, absolutely livid
Massive, massive mistake. NZRU has gone to hell since Tew retired.
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@machpants said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm livid nzr extended Foster's contact before this tour, absolutely livid
livid=discoloured by bruising? That seems an apt description for an AB fan this season.
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@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
Well... Yeah..
Sublime from the French. Ntamack made RM look like a nobody.
@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@nta said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I'm conscious that France played a few games in the last few years where they've looked ace for the first half and imploded in the second
Well... Yeah..
Sublime from the French. Ntamack made RM look like a nobody.
They did go off the boil. But then so did we.
Edit: bringing DH on to pass to the French when we had momentum was a masterstroke from the coaches, for example. -
Season breakdown...
- need to get props that do more than just scrum. what happened to the Joe Moody who tore it up at RWC15?
- Hookers - we're ok here. Have options. Sami T. is a beast. Coles will always compete. If Cody Taylor can find his form
- Locks... Retallick hasn't been the same since the injury prior to RWC'19 - Need to back in a young aggressive lock - Tupou, Josh Lord, whoever.
- Loosie mix all kinda fucked, what was once an area of strength, is confused, muddled and unsure who our best 3 and bench is.
- Aaron Smith... and then... who? Finlay, Brad W., Fakatava?
- Beaudy & Richie can lead us to RWC glory, but not if the forwards don't lay a platform. BB does a bit better, RM has regressed under Foster - here's hoping he can rebuild in Super Rugby
- Need some wingers - Caleb Clarke might be useful as a power wing if he can rediscover some form.
- ALB needs to be at 12. I don't rate Goodhue, but maybe we are actually missing him? Rieko should be 13. and 14. He's a weapon and has to be on the field. I think Will Jordan should definitely be one wing.
- Jordie is our 15.
- Players I don't ever want to see in big AB games again - Damien McKenzie, David Haviili, TJ Perenara.
- Coaching & coaching succession is fucked. Has been since SBW got the red card in the second Lions test. We showed the template in Game 1. and never went back to it. Everything off 9. Much like the French just played us tonight.
Posted it before, good news is South Africa showed things can be changed in 12months, bad news is I don't believe Foster can do it.
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We have had bad years in the recent past, but this is somewhat different from them.
Usually bad years came about when we had just had a few older players retire, or we were trying new tactics. Sometimes when we tried to get too clever with "rotation". But it is a long time since we were beaten in consecutive games quite so convincingly by NH opposition. A very long time.
We had a bad year in 1998. It appeared to get better, then it didn't. And the coach took almost all the blame (anyone remember the "Guilty"cover of NZ Rugby World?)
The whole world knows how to beat us now (except Australia). And our coaches have no idea what to do.
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Season breakdown...
- need to get props that do more than just scrum. what happened to the Joe Moody who tore it up at RWC15?
- Hookers - we're ok here. Have options. Sami T. is a beast. Coles will always compete. If Cody Taylor can find his form
- Locks... Retallick hasn't been the same since the injury prior to RWC'19 - Need to back in a young aggressive lock - Tupou, Josh Lord, whoever.
- Loosie mix all kinda fucked, what was once an area of strength, is confused, muddled and unsure who our best 3 and bench is.
- Aaron Smith... and then... who? Finlay, Brad W., Fakatava?
- Beaudy & Richie can lead us to RWC glory, but not if the forwards don't lay a platform. BB does a bit better, RM has regressed under Foster - here's hoping he can rebuild in Super Rugby
- Need some wingers - Caleb Clarke might be useful as a power wing if he can rediscover some form.
- ALB needs to be at 12. I don't rate Goodhue, but maybe we are actually missing him? Rieko should be 13. and 14. He's a weapon and has to be on the field. I think Will Jordan should definitely be one wing.
- Jordie is our 15.
- Players I don't ever want to see in big AB games again - Damien McKenzie, David Haviili, TJ Perenara.
- Coaching & coaching succession is fucked. Has been since SBW got the red card in the second Lions test. We showed the template in Game 1. and never went back to it. Everything off 9. Much like the French just played us tonight.
Posted it before, good news is South Africa showed things can be changed in 12months, bad news is I don't believe Foster can do it.
@westcoastie
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@akan004 said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
The first 20 of the 2nd half showed that the players aren't as bad as what they have shown over the last two weeks. We are just being so badly coached.
No amount of coaching can fix brain farts.
Contrast the ability of McCaw's men to wrest a victorious result from this squad. We have a squad that has Havili, Mo'unga and Bridge. We're carrying a loose forward spot for Ardie "highlights" Savea. Players out of form are ushered back into the All Blacks following a sojourn in Japan in TJP and BBBR.
Sam saying we need to learn how to play France in France? WTF
Foster's coaching group is too conservative and too loyal.
@antipodean although brain farts less likely if you aren't chasing the game and playing with a plan that works.
For me, whatever game plan they have, it doesn't seem we can play it, or the players aren't all in, which will cause players to make poor decisions.
I can cut them some slack for the long tour, and had they played well for 60 and got run over in the final quarter, but we weren't, we are just playing poorly.
All is not well, we need our team on the same page, but I can't see anything changing between now and next year, and 2022.
