Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Who gets sacked first, Solskjær or Foster?
FYI Solskjær has just been given the sack. Praying they will pull the lever on the Muppet too.
And Man U have had 6 coaches in the last 7 years , including a messiah in Mourinho.
If sacking coaches was the easy answer to everything, Man U would have won everything in sight since 2014.
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@victor-meldrew
Not sacking underperforming coaches certainly isn't the answer either.@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not sacking underperforming coaches certainly isn't the answer either.Glad you agree sacking coaches isn't a quick fix.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not sacking underperforming coaches certainly isn't the answer either.Glad you agree sacking coaches isn't a quick fix.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Who gets sacked first, Solskjær or Foster?
FYI Solskjær has just been given the sack. Praying they will pull the lever on the Muppet too.
And Man U have had 6 coaches in the last 7 years , including a messiah in Mourinho.
If sacking coaches was the easy answer to everything, Man U would have won everything in sight since 2014.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
Who gets sacked first, Solskjær or Foster?
FYI Solskjær has just been given the sack. Praying they will pull the lever on the Muppet too.
And Man U have had 6 coaches in the last 7 years , including a messiah in Mourinho.
If sacking coaches was the easy answer to everything, Man U would have won everything in sight since 2014.
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'Razor hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience. -
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
How is this situation like Man U? Foster has been in the AB set up for a decade.
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
Like the Taco advert, it doesn't have to be an either/or.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
How is this situation like Man U? Foster has been in the AB set up for a decade.
I say it again, Foster and Ole are both caretakers at best. Zero credentials to prove they can do it at the top level, direct connection to past success but in a very different capacity, and opposition teams are/were praying they stay in for as long as possible.
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@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'Razor hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.So what do we do if and/or when when Razor, like Mourhino with his great track record, doesn't turn out to be a messiah?
If Razor's win % isn't better than Foster's after 2 years, do we think we should sack him as well?
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@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
You make good points, but one thing I will say is that, because of the top-down nature of NZ rugby, the AB coach can often have a big say in the development at the lower levels of the game. Is it any coincidence that post-2004, we had a pipeline of good quality front rowers after GH had identified that as a work on? Or how after 2009, we had a generation of wingers and full backs who were all excellent under the high ball? It's because of the weaknesses in those areas identified by GH at the top level that coaches at all levels below that sought to develop the next generation that was strong in those areas.
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I say it again, Foster and Ole are both caretakers at best. Zero credentials to prove they can do it at the top level, direct connection to past success but in a very different capacity, and opposition teams are/were praying they stay in for as long as possible.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I say it again, Foster and Ole are both caretakers at best. Zero credentials to prove they can do it at the top level, direct connection to past success but in a very different capacity, and opposition teams are/were praying they stay in for as long as possible.
Caretakers look after things!
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@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.So what do we do if and/or when when Razor, like Mourhino with his great track record, doesn't turn out to be a messiah?
If Razor's win % isn't better than Foster's after 2 years, do we think we should sack him as well?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.So what do we do if and/or when when Razor, like Mourhino with his great track record, doesn't turn out to be a messiah?
If Razor's win % isn't better than Foster's after 2 years, do we think we should sack him as well?
This sounds like the argument for not demoting Tana and replacing him with Leon.....
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@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.So what do we do if and/or when when Razor, like Mourhino with his great track record, doesn't turn out to be a messiah?
If Razor's win % isn't better than Foster's after 2 years, do we think we should sack him as well?
@victor-meldrew He hasnt been given a chance. I think its rational to give it to someone who's been successful in NZ SR over a long period of time.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew
Not a quick fix but a necessary one. Ole & Foz = jobs for the boys, no track record to back it up, wheels fell off, sacked and should be sacked.And like Man U, we say that about the next coach (like Mourhino, with a great track record), and the one after that, and the one after that?
How many years of coach blamings and sackings do you think we need before we start asking if there's underlying problems to be addressed?
How is this situation like Man U? Foster has been in the AB set up for a decade.
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
How is this situation like Man U?
Best team in the world, won everythng in sight, then slid to medicocraty. Sound familiar?
Foster has been in the AB set up for a decade.
Neither were the Man U managers, so I really don't get your point.
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@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.So what do we do if and/or when when Razor, like Mourhino with his great track record, doesn't turn out to be a messiah?
If Razor's win % isn't better than Foster's after 2 years, do we think we should sack him as well?
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.So what do we do if and/or when when Razor, like Mourhino with his great track record, doesn't turn out to be a messiah?
If Razor's win % isn't better than Foster's after 2 years, do we think we should sack him as well?
Well it might be an idea to have KPI with a high-paying leadership position of national importance so I'd say yes, if he loses as often as Foster and doesn't develop the team he should go too.
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I say it again, Foster and Ole are both caretakers at best. Zero credentials to prove they can do it at the top level, direct connection to past success but in a very different capacity, and opposition teams are/were praying they stay in for as long as possible.
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I say it again, Foster and Ole are both caretakers at best. Zero credentials to prove they can do it at the top level, direct connection to past success but in a very different capacity, and opposition teams are/were praying they stay in for as long as possible.
Mourhini a caretaker with Zero credentials to prove he could do it at the top level? C'mon
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@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
How is this situation like Man U?
Best team in the world, won everythng in sight, then slid to medicocraty. Sound familiar?
Foster has been in the AB set up for a decade.
Neither were the Man U managers, so I really don't get your point.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
How is this situation like Man U?
Best team in the world, won everythng in sight, then slid to medicocraty. Sound familiar?
Foster has been in the AB set up for a decade.
Neither were the Man U managers, so I really don't get your point.
How is sacking coach after coach year after year (Man U) the same thing as wanting to sack a coach who has been in the AB setup since 2012?
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@berniescorner said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@victor-meldrew Razor has cleaned up in the SR over a long period of time.
Obviously clear game plans, good man management and eye for detail.
You heard the oft repeated phrase 'hasnt got international coaching experience'. This is rubbish.
Well now we've got mediocre results, losing to teams like never before, and the management have untold international experience.So what do we do if and/or when when Razor, like Mourhino with his great track record, doesn't turn out to be a messiah?
If Razor's win % isn't better than Foster's after 2 years, do we think we should sack him as well?
@victor-meldrew
That is such a terrible way of thinking, and completely against what I think should be the AB ethos.If Robertson or someone else also fails, that doesn't mean that Foster is good enough.
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
@mofitzy_ said in All Blacks v France, 2021 NH Tour:
I say it again, Foster and Ole are both caretakers at best. Zero credentials to prove they can do it at the top level, direct connection to past success but in a very different capacity, and opposition teams are/were praying they stay in for as long as possible.
Caretakers look after things!
I mean caretaker in that they should have been there as interim coaches at best. Both were on limited contracts and were renewed.
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On what criteria was the current HC contract renewed through to 2023. Wasnt results. Admittedly Covid wasnt a great time.
Should have waited until now to appoint coach through to 2023
