Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@chris kind of backs up the idea he thinks he can just stick 15 of the best players out there and one of them will do something special to win it
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@chris kind of backs up the idea he thinks he can just stick 15 of the best players out there and one of them will do something special to win it
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@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@akan004 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Good interview with Steve Devine. Unlike some of our ex players who are nothing more than AB cheerleaders, he calls it the way it is. Very critical of Fozzie.
“I wasn’t exactly joyous about his coaching,” says Devine. “It was quite loose and unorganized as nobody really knew their role. I look at the team now and it’s exactly what I'm seeing.”that sounds familiar.
I thought about it and I decided we can give him some slack.
SA and Australia are also wilting a little and I think COVID/the tour is having an effect.
But the game plan is not changing, adjusting and some players are actually going backwards. I don't believe this isn't just the effect of COVID, touring, quarantine etc.
Rather than test new players as a matter of choice we do so as a matter of emergency. And the same winning strategy against us has become a go to by the competitors.Thats what I am seeing a disorganised team with no game plan and structure.Devine confirms my thinking having played under Foster he knows more than most.
Time for a change anyone has to better as HC,I have a bad feeling we will waste 4 years under this Coaching framework.And have to correct a lot of damage.How many years will it take to get us back on track after 2023,2 more years of this stuff will be horrendous.@chris where we also lose development time for our current crop of emerging players. So they might fall by the wayside for reasons other than talent/potential! not to mention the real and present danger of losing more while playing some weird brand of rugby that goes well in Fozzies head.
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NZRFU under pressure in the media for re-signing Fozzie. Hopefully they renege or he resigns
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
NZRFU under pressure in the media for re-signing Fozzie. Hopefully they renege or he resigns
yeah, if only his contract came up for renewal at the end of this year, eh.
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@nzzp NZR gave Fozzie the bed to make, now we have to sit and watch while Fozzie tries to put the fitted sheet on!
@taniwharugby said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nzzp NZR gave Fozzie the bed to make, now we have to sit and watch while Fozzie tries to put the fitted sheet on!
he's putting it on the top! Noooooooooo
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I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think. -
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
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I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
Respectfully, but we really did not. We knew that his record wasn't good, but we didn't know what he was doing behind the scenes with the ABs, alongside some seriously good coaches. So much goes on behind closed doors, there was a chance (small, admittedly) that he had lifted his game, found some depths that weren't readily visible, and vastly improved.
We feared he wasn't up to it, but we didn't know. Pedantic, I know, but we shouldn't retrospectively rewrite history. Otherwise it's like saying we 'know' that Nonu isn't up to it after his effort against Ireland in 2006
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I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this
5 years agowhile he was at the Chiefs. NZRU did not.If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
I tend to agree, it s going to be tough on his family, i did have to edit the length of time though that we knew, I still can't believe he was hired to start with
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
Respectfully, but we really did not. We knew that his record wasn't good, but we didn't know what he was doing behind the scenes with the ABs, alongside some seriously good coaches. So much goes on behind closed doors, there was a chance (small, admittedly) that he had lifted his game, found some depths that weren't readily visible, and vastly improved.
We feared he wasn't up to it, but we didn't know. Pedantic, I know, but we shouldn't retrospectively rewrite history. Otherwise it's like saying we 'know' that Nonu isn't up to it after his effort against Ireland in 2006
@nzzp said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
Respectfully, but we really did not. We knew that his record wasn't good, but we didn't know what he was doing behind the scenes with the ABs, alongside some seriously good coaches. So much goes on behind closed doors, there was a chance (small, admittedly) that he had lifted his game, found some depths that weren't readily visible, and vastly improved.
We feared he wasn't up to it, but we didn't know. Pedantic, I know, but we shouldn't retrospectively rewrite history. Otherwise it's like saying we 'know' that Nonu isn't up to it after his effort against Ireland in 2006
Fair enough....
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... but we knew, ya know
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
Respectfully, but we really did not. We knew that his record wasn't good, but we didn't know what he was doing behind the scenes with the ABs, alongside some seriously good coaches. So much goes on behind closed doors, there was a chance (small, admittedly) that he had lifted his game, found some depths that weren't readily visible, and vastly improved.
We feared he wasn't up to it, but we didn't know. Pedantic, I know, but we shouldn't retrospectively rewrite history. Otherwise it's like saying we 'know' that Nonu isn't up to it after his effort against Ireland in 2006
@nzzp I tend to disagree you can only go on past performance and he never delivered at the Chiefs
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reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
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@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
Credit is from being a loyal servant to the game and being part of a great era. Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
Credit is from being a loyal servant to the game and being part of a great era. Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
Credit is from being a loyal servant to the game and being part of a great era. Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
Welcome to sports. You'll learn a lot.
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reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
I reckon there is Zero chance he resigns.
I don't know if I would be able to do my job after shredding a team from the top to making it mediocre and just be happy to carry on. I like to think I would pull pin but I don't know if I would.
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reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
Credit is from being a loyal servant to the game and being part of a great era. Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
@crucial Seriously being a loyal servant doesnt mean you deserve credit. If you have a performance review and it is terrible, then it tends to indicate you probably should not be in that role or you need a lot of help?
It doesnt mean you should get a tick of approval because you're in the old boys club, that is part of the current cultrual problem, if anything.
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@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
