Foster, Robertson, Rennie etc
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@crucial Seriously being a loyal servant doesnt mean you deserve credit. If you have a performance review and it is terrible, then it tends to indicate you probably should not be in that role or you need a lot of help?
It doesnt mean you should get a tick of approval because you're in the old boys club, that is part of the current cultrual problem, if anything.
@bayimports said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial Seriously being a loyal servant doesnt mean you deserve credit. If you have a performance review and it is terrible, then it tends to indicate you probably should not be in that role or you need a lot of help?
It doesnt mean you should get a tick of approval because you're in the old boys club, that is part of the current cultrual problem, if anything.
Totally misunderstanding the meaning of my words.
Nothing to do with a tick of approval. I was talking about the man himself and how I doubt he would weasel out under a cloud of 'family reasons'. If the NZRU truly sat him down and said they felt it would be in the best interests he would go with that IMO.
He may even do it before being sat down but that's not necessarily how I see it going.Criticise his coaching abilities by all means but saying he isn't man enough to face up to his position and will make up a bullshit cover is a bit on the nose (again IMO)
In other words play the ball, not the man.
He doesn't select himself, he offers his services. Services that involve family sacrifices and public scrutiny and ridicule. -
The more I look at this coaching team, the more irritated I get with him and Hansen. Hansen's increasingly being revealed to be a lucky coach.
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Pick his assistants for him and essentially render him as a figurehead
do a gatland, make him "director of rugby"
@kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Pick his assistants for him and essentially render him as a figurehead
do a gatland, make him "director of rugby"
Even better, do a "Tana".
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@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
NZ Rugby has locked Ian Foster in until 2023, but his assistants are not yet signed-up.
More like Ian Foster has locked in NZ rugby until 2023.
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
Credit is from being a loyal servant to the game and being part of a great era. Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Sure he has failings at the top level but that doesn't detract from the person and he doesn't deserve vilification.
Vilification?
I tend to think personal weaknesses will be reflected in coaching ability. They are linked.
He isn't ruthless, too nice, not motivating enough, has no overall vision for the team, according to Devine - too unstructured. -
Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
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Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
No he didn't, he said rugby is a game and to not worry about it. It is not gracious to talk about our deficiencies because it takes away from our opponents. The public need to grow up etc.
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
No he didn't, he said rugby is a game and to not worry about it. It is not gracious to talk about our deficiencies because it takes away from our opponents. The public need to grow up etc.
@rotated said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
No he didn't, he said rugby is a game and to not worry about it. It is not gracious to talk about our deficiencies because it takes away from our opponents. The public need to grow up etc.
Fair enough. But I don't ever recall him saying we'd made significant growth after getting our butts handed to us on successive weekends either
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Our attack is utter rubbish. Attack coach can go
Our breakdown work is substandard. Our forwards "positioning" is not useful. Our set piece creaks. The forwards coach can go
Our defense is alright, but i am seeing good players make bad decisions so something is not working. The defense coach can go.
Our skills have regressed, significantly. our passing was once a strength is no longer class leading. We kick very poorly. We knock on a lot. Skills coach can go.
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Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
I've no idea what parts of the game we've made significant growth in. Admittedly I'm not a sought after international coach with an impeccable pedigree, but from my ignorant perspective nothing has improved.
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@nostrildamus I can understand the fatigue factor and will cut them a bit of slack for that, but it doesn't excuse the fact that they are still running the same playbook from a few years ago. It doesn't excuse the fact that our defensive linespeed is so passive and it doesn't excuse the fact that they are continuously selecting players who are only SR level players like Havilli, DMac, Angus T, Bridge etc and hoping that they will somehow develop into quality test players when they clearly won't.
@akan004 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@nostrildamus I can understand the fatigue factor and will cut them a bit of slack for that, but it doesn't excuse the fact that they are still running the same playbook from a few years ago. It doesn't excuse the fact that our defensive linespeed is so passive and it doesn't excuse the fact that they are continuously selecting players who are only SR level players like Havilli, DMac, Angus T, Bridge etc and hoping that they will somehow develop into quality test players when they clearly won't.
oh I think we agree. I'm just trying to be evenhanded. A little.
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@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Not his best smile.
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Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
yes but Shag never (AFAIK) ever said he himself was shit.
And as noted above there has been a slow weakening of player strengths, teamwork and ideas...
I suspect we more and more relied on the 'stars' rather than the 'team'... -
Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
It's scary that he thinks it's all going well and the team has "significant growth".
Same stuff for the next 2 years by the looks.Was really wanting to hear,We didn't get everything right and we need to do a few things differently,We need progression and how to change things up.
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@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
It's scary that he thinks it's all going well and the team has "significant growth".
Same stuff for the next 2 years by the looks.Was really wanting to hear,We didn't get everything right and we need to do a few things differently,We need progression and how to change things up.
But we got none of that..@chris said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Oh god, we have a mad man at the wheel of the big black bus
At least when we were shit, Shag told us we were shit
It's scary that he thinks it's all going well and the team has "significant growth".
Same stuff for the next 2 years by the looks.Was really wanting to hear,We didn't get everything right and we need to do a few things differently,We need progression and how to change things up.
But we got none of that..That's my concern too. If he says we have significant challenges to overcome, lots of work ons blah blah blah, at least he admits there is much to improve
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@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Not his best smile.
@nostrildamus said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.
There's also zero chance NZRU will do anything with Foster this year - perhaps a change in an assistant at most.
The assistants aren't signed up yet, there's hope for deck chair shuffling, if not iceberg avoiding
Not his best smile.
Haha I convinced those suckers at NZR to extend me before the tour because it was too much distraction for me and my poor bunch of pussies that coach with me
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@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
He is not going to doubt himself or the team's progress publicly. We had a coach who did that once and then we ended up with John Mitchell and a journey.
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@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
He is not going to doubt himself or the team's progress publicly. We had a coach who did that once and then we ended up with John Mitchell and a journey.
@junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
He is not going to doubt himself or the team's progress publicly. We had a coach who did that once and then we ended up with John Mitchell and a journey.
Fair, except when the Cartel knew they were getting it wrong in the forwards and at line out time, they were really clear about it. I appreciated the way they responded to negative feedback by taking it onboard and showing that they would respond (and they did).
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@junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
@hooroo said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
I have some sympathy for the guy as he shouldn't have been there in the first place.
We knew this 5 years ago. NZRU did not.
If he does resign I imagine it will be because of family reasons etc etc.
Give the man some credit. If he is going to fall on his sword it won't be a sham. I think he would do it early and 'in the best interests' of the team.
The complicating factor is if his assistants and linked to his contract and that he wouldn't leave them in the lurch I think.I don't see where credit is due.
Who the hell comes out and says the team has progressed this year? He is in a dream world. I would hate to see what we looked liked if he though we were regressing.
Massively out of his league
He is not going to doubt himself or the team's progress publicly. We had a coach who did that once and then we ended up with John Mitchell and a journey.
Fair, except when the Cartel knew they were getting it wrong in the forwards and at line out time, they were really clear about it. I appreciated the way they responded to negative feedback by taking it onboard and showing that they would respond (and they did).
@gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Fair, except when the Cartel knew they were getting it wrong in the forwards and at line out time, they were really clear about it. I appreciated the way they responded to negative feedback by taking it onboard and showing that they would respond (and they did).
The Cartel wasn't perfect, the avoidance of lineouts against the Boks in 2009 drove me up the friggen wall, but you saw visible improvements after each loss or change over a time in reaction to issues.
FFS, we are still struggling with things that came up in 2016/2017. 2020 was a nightmare, the same old problems occur in 2021, good players have suddenly become average or even shite...... something isn't right in dodge! -
Our attack is utter rubbish. Attack coach can go
Our breakdown work is substandard. Our forwards "positioning" is not useful. Our set piece creaks. The forwards coach can go
Our defense is alright, but i am seeing good players make bad decisions so something is not working. The defense coach can go.
Our skills have regressed, significantly. our passing was once a strength is no longer class leading. We kick very poorly. We knock on a lot. Skills coach can go.
@mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:
Our attack is utter rubbish. Attack coach can go
Our breakdown work is substandard. Our forwards "positioning" is not useful. Our set piece creaks. The forwards coach can go
Our defense is alright, but i am seeing good players make bad decisions so something is not working. The defense coach can go.
Our skills have regressed, significantly. our passing was once a strength is no longer class leading. We kick very poorly. We knock on a lot. Skills coach can go.
Aura is weak, the Motivation coach can go.
Advertising and promotion is shoddy, the Marketing Manager can go.
I’ve heard the post game food is rubbish, the Caterer can go too.
