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  • mariner4lifeM mariner4life

    reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.

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    @mariner4life said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

    reckon there is zero chance he resigns. Would you? Be honest.

    Absolutely not.

    It's best job in world.

    You can turn up, be useless, do absolutely nothing and still win 70%+ of your games due to the talent available.

    With zero effort you're still a puncher's chance to win at every World Cup.

    Fluke one of those and you get a knighthood, set for life on the after dinner speaking tour, and can maybe even flog your services to the RFU at a later date for £1m+ per year.

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      @canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

      That would be a good start, but really depends upon who their replacements are.

      Do we have any decent defence coaches in NZ? Do we have any decent attack coaches who are also available?

      Is it time for John Mitchell to come back and go from zero to hero?

      No

      His defensive coaching put paid to NZ's chances in RWC2019 and barely gave NZ a sniff. Surely he's spent long enough in purgatory now? He might bring some insights about England and NH rugby in general. Right now, NZ need as much insight as they can get to arrest the slide in performance.

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      @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      @canefan said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

      My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

      That would be a good start, but really depends upon who their replacements are.

      Do we have any decent defence coaches in NZ? Do we have any decent attack coaches who are also available?

      Is it time for John Mitchell to come back and go from zero to hero?

      No

      His defensive coaching put paid to NZ's chances in RWC2019 and barely gave NZ a sniff. Surely he's spent long enough in purgatory now? He might bring some insights about England and NH rugby in general. Right now, NZ need as much insight as they can get to arrest the slide in performance.

      I would think we could still do better than Mitch, but I would still take him over the guy currently in charge of our defence

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        @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

        @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

        My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

        That would be a good start, but really depends upon who their replacements are.

        Do we have any decent defence coaches in NZ? Do we have any decent attack coaches who are also available?

        Is it time for John Mitchell to come back and go from zero to hero?

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        @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

        @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

        @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

        My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

        That would be a good start, but really depends upon who their replacements are.

        Do we have any decent defence coaches in NZ? Do we have any decent attack coaches who are also available?

        Is it time for John Mitchell to come back and go from zero to hero?

        After how Daryl went in the T20 WC all is forgiven, Cueball for RWC 2023!

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        • sparkyS sparky

          My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

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          @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

          My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

          This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

          That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

          It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

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          • gt12G gt12

            @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

            My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

            This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

            That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

            It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

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            @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

            @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

            My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

            This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

            That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

            It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

            Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

            Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

            In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

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            • S stodders

              @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

              @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

              My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

              This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

              That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

              It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

              Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

              Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

              In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

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              @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

              @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

              @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

              My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

              This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

              That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

              It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

              Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

              Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

              In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

              We need to get over this intellectual parochialism when it comes to our rugby coaches. We don't own all of the game's IP and greatest minds. FFS, our greater ever era was when we had an Australian ex-Aussie Rules player as our skills coach.

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                @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

                Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

                Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

                In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

                We need to get over this intellectual parochialism when it comes to our rugby coaches. We don't own all of the game's IP and greatest minds. FFS, our greater ever era was when we had an Australian ex-Aussie Rules player as our skills coach.

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                @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

                Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

                Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

                In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

                We need to get over this intellectual parochialism when it comes to our rugby coaches. We don't own all of the game's IP and greatest minds. FFS, our greater ever era was when we had an Australian ex-Aussie Rules player as our skills coach.

                I think it is only NZ and SA that haven't had a head coach from overseas. SA has had several non-SA assistant coaches, with Eddie Jones being the most high profile circa 2007.

                If the ABs job is the top job in the world (according to the NZRU marketing department 🙂 ), maybe it needs the best coach regardless of nationality :fishing_pole:

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                  @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                  This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                  That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                  It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

                  Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

                  Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

                  In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

                  We need to get over this intellectual parochialism when it comes to our rugby coaches. We don't own all of the game's IP and greatest minds. FFS, our greater ever era was when we had an Australian ex-Aussie Rules player as our skills coach.

                  I think it is only NZ and SA that haven't had a head coach from overseas. SA has had several non-SA assistant coaches, with Eddie Jones being the most high profile circa 2007.

                  If the ABs job is the top job in the world (according to the NZRU marketing department 🙂 ), maybe it needs the best coach regardless of nationality :fishing_pole:

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                  @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                  This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                  That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                  It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

                  Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

                  Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

                  In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

                  We need to get over this intellectual parochialism when it comes to our rugby coaches. We don't own all of the game's IP and greatest minds. FFS, our greater ever era was when we had an Australian ex-Aussie Rules player as our skills coach.

                  I think it is only NZ and SA that haven't had a head coach from overseas. SA has had several non-SA assistant coaches, with Eddie Jones being the most high profile circa 2007.

                  If the ABs job is the top job in the world (according to the NZRU marketing department 🙂 ), maybe it needs the best coach regardless of nationality :fishing_pole:

                  France? Argentina?

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                  • J junior

                    @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                    @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                    @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                    My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                    This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                    That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                    It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

                    Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

                    Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

                    In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

                    We need to get over this intellectual parochialism when it comes to our rugby coaches. We don't own all of the game's IP and greatest minds. FFS, our greater ever era was when we had an Australian ex-Aussie Rules player as our skills coach.

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                    @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                    @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                    @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                    @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                    My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                    This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                    That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                    It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

                    Any Australian Rugby League defence coaches out of contract? Ireland's head coach is from RL, England's attack coach is from RL, France's defence coach is from RL. Maybe the ABs could bring in some ideas from RL too, especially if they are looking at a different, more offensive defensive system?

                    Or maybe a South African (sacrilege) could help either the defence or the forwards?

                    In terms of attack coach, Nick Evans is doing a pretty good job at Harlequins 🙂

                    We need to get over this intellectual parochialism when it comes to our rugby coaches. We don't own all of the game's IP and greatest minds. FFS, our greater ever era was when we had an Australian ex-Aussie Rules player as our skills coach.

                    Doesn’t this comment contradict itself?
                    I don’t think we have a block we have simply decided on others.

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                      Catching up on the last few pages of this thread is a funny read in the cold light of day.
                      Conspiracy theories abound with statements of fact around things we have zero idea about.
                      We don’t know what was said at interviews by any party or even the NZRU processes.
                      I agree though that the quality from the support coaches has been low. Maybe Foster is ultimately responsible but I do feel that he has been let down by his lieutenants (or overestimated their abilities).
                      The team he assembled never excited me and the continued selection of McLeod was as baffling as his initial appointment.
                      I think we have one guy trying to implement a defence that no one else uses because it doesn’t play the percentages. Another who seems to have a strong voice in team selection which means a lack of consistency. I don’t even know what Mooar brings to the table as I can’t find it. It certainly isn’t attack patterns.

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                      • J junior

                        @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                        My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                        That would be a good start, but really depends upon who their replacements are.

                        Do we have any decent defence coaches in NZ? Do we have any decent attack coaches who are also available?

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                        @junior and who now, will want to tie thier wagon to Foster?

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                          In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                          I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                          Just trying to find alternatives.
                          Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                          Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                          How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

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                            There would be some local options available for defence coach, if NZR are prepared to look outside of rugby. Ruben Wiki, for example.

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                              In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                              I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                              Just trying to find alternatives.
                              Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                              Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                              How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

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                              @crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                              In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                              I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                              Just trying to find alternatives.
                              Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                              Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                              How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

                              I would still like a team with Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown in it. Though I also wouldn't mind them having a look at Barnes who did the Chiefs forwards over last couple of years and did good stuff with the Naki this year. But it doesn't make a lot of difference what we think, we not really in the know are we, and just looking from outside.

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                                @crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                                I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                                Just trying to find alternatives.
                                Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                                Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                                How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

                                I would still like a team with Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown in it. Though I also wouldn't mind them having a look at Barnes who did the Chiefs forwards over last couple of years and did good stuff with the Naki this year. But it doesn't make a lot of difference what we think, we not really in the know are we, and just looking from outside.

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                                @dan54 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                @crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                                I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                                Just trying to find alternatives.
                                Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                                Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                                How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

                                I would still like a team with Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown in it. Though I also wouldn't mind them having a look at Barnes who did the Chiefs forwards over last couple of years and did good stuff with the Naki this year. But it doesn't make a lot of difference what we think, we not really in the know are we, and just looking from outside.

                                Wipe Joseph/ Brown from your mind. They have the yen and are unlikely to walk from existing arrangements.
                                I do agree that in an ideal world JJ on forwards and Brown on attack with Razor on strategies and management would be a fine team.
                                I always though Barnes was a weak spot in the Chiefs group but maybe I misunderstood his impact.

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                                • CrucialC Crucial

                                  In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                                  I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                                  Just trying to find alternatives.
                                  Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                                  Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                                  How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

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                                  @crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.
                                  How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

                                  Realistically Jase Ryan and Razor are a package deal. Swap him and Coventry.

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                                  • CrucialC Crucial

                                    In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                                    I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                                    Just trying to find alternatives.
                                    Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                                    Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                                    How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

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                                    @crucial said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                    In the last few years of super the best defence records (tackle %s etc) came from the Blues if I'm not mistaken. That was with Umaga running the D.
                                    I have no idea if his patterns would help, I don't recall it being a rush nor a soak. I wonder if his non naming in the MP coaching team is due in part to him keeping options open?
                                    Just trying to find alternatives.
                                    Highlanders have shown the most variety on attack but when it happens it has Brown's fingerprints all over it.
                                    Tom Coventry is the guy I think most would agree is the best at creating hard forward packs, he just often doesn't have the right mix of players.

                                    How does a team of Razor, Scott Hansen, Coventry and Umaga sound?

                                    you put more thought into that post than the AB did when actually appointing someone

                                    Interesting that one of our great midfielders turned coach would have some ideas around one of the key roles in a defensive line

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                                      @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                      My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                                      This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                                      That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                                      It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

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                                      @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                      @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                      My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                                      This is a shit thing to say, but given that the breakdown mentioned both of those names, and likely have some access to the knowledge about who will carry the can, I would say that is the political decision possibly already made.

                                      That's not to say that it would be a bad decision if it happens, in fact it's the opposite. Mooar should never have been hired in the first place, and Stormy has been really average in comparison to his international peers.

                                      It is time for us to look at who is available on the international market regardless of whether they are a kiwi or not.

                                      Can anyone say the attack looks like someone is in charge of it?

                                      Why is nearly every other team in the world using a rush defence? Giving ground with phases and realigning to take advantage of a counterattack isn't worth it if your opposition are well-drilled and don't isolate themselves. Even worse if they're competent enough to have bodies in motion making the defence have to make decisions while they're running from one side of the field to another for a counterattack opportunity that's never going to come.

                                      Both of them appear to be clowns so if someone else is available, competent and experienced, why wouldn't we take them? This shouldn't be a "jobs for New Zealanders only" situation. It should be "best available so the All Blacks keep winning" situation. If that means cueball comes back into the fold as defence coach, great.

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                                        What's striking is that none of coaches have been a head coach at international level. Now compare that with Henry, Hanson and Smith. Even worse is that none have had success at Super level.

                                        It's like the best F1 team being driven by the pit crew despite having a host of great drivers available.

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                                          @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                          @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                          My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                                          That would be a good start, but really depends upon who their replacements are.

                                          Do we have any decent defence coaches in NZ? Do we have any decent attack coaches who are also available?

                                          Is it time for John Mitchell to come back and go from zero to hero?

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                                          @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                          @junior said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                          @sparky said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                          My prediction: Foster will stay. Mooar and McLeod will carry the can.

                                          That would be a good start, but really depends upon who their replacements are.

                                          Do we have any decent defence coaches in NZ? Do we have any decent attack coaches who are also available?

                                          Is it time for John Mitchell to come back and go from zero to hero?

                                          Could be.
                                          His life is a journey.

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