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  • M Machpants

    If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

    When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

    I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

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    @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

    If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

    When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

    I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

    The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
    

    really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

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      I reckon Razor is in an awkward situation. Let's say Foster keeps his spot until the RWC and then it's decided it's time to put him out to pasture. In the mean time the Crusaders haven't won the Super comp for a couple of years and the Blues have become the top ranked NZ side (judging by the squads a very real possibility). I wonder who will be the favourite to take the reigns then?

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      • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

        I reckon Razor is in an awkward situation. Let's say Foster keeps his spot until the RWC and then it's decided it's time to put him out to pasture. In the mean time the Crusaders haven't won the Super comp for a couple of years and the Blues have become the top ranked NZ side (judging by the squads a very real possibility). I wonder who will be the favourite to take the reigns then?

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        @crazy-horse Must have been frustrating for him to miss out on the Lions assistant coach position because of covid.

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          It's a shame Foster isn't more like Wayne Smith and reapplied for the job instead of pushing for an early rubber stamp (with people like Hanson being vocal in the media about getting on with it).

          It would be good to see of Robertson had learned from his previous experience and was better prepared. Could have asked him how he would fix the current issues and to a comparsion between the two.

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            Hansen's rep' is intertwined with Foster's.
            His neutrality can't be trusted.

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            • Crazy HorseC Crazy Horse

              I reckon Razor is in an awkward situation. Let's say Foster keeps his spot until the RWC and then it's decided it's time to put him out to pasture. In the mean time the Crusaders haven't won the Super comp for a couple of years and the Blues have become the top ranked NZ side (judging by the squads a very real possibility). I wonder who will be the favourite to take the reigns then?

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              @crazy-horse said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

              I reckon Razor is in an awkward situation. Let's say Foster keeps his spot until the RWC and then it's decided it's time to put him out to pasture. In the mean time the Crusaders haven't won the Super comp for a couple of years and the Blues have become the top ranked NZ side (judging by the squads a very real possibility). I wonder who will be the favourite to take the reigns then?

              This is unfair, but I would say fuck him. I'd bet my house that he was offered an assistant position, and I'll bet he could get one now, so if he bets and loses, too bad.

              None of that is to say that I don't want him involved, but right now the legend of Scott Robertson is far above the reality.

              My biggest issue with him is that he over plays key people and while that gets current results for the Saders, but he hasn't developed anyone below Taylor or Mo'unga (and Whitelock to a lesser extent) and without those three firing in Super rugby, the Saders look pretty beatable. I think there is reason to be worried for the future because for the first time in quite a while, the Saders are not stacked in key spine positions.

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                Most I talk to, it is not the legend of Robinson bring inflated. It's foster is so average, he's worth a crack and at least would be innovative and a change from the same gamelan for half a dozen years. At least he has a good record as head coach, is young, and can turn an underperforming team around

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                • M Machpants

                  Most I talk to, it is not the legend of Robinson bring inflated. It's foster is so average, he's worth a crack and at least would be innovative and a change from the same gamelan for half a dozen years. At least he has a good record as head coach, is young, and can turn an underperforming team around

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                  @machpants said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                  Most I talk to, it is not the legend of Robinson bring inflated. It's foster is so average, he's worth a crack and at least would be innovative and a change from the same gamelan for half a dozen years. At least he has a good record as head coach, is young, and can turn an underperforming team around

                  I think you get the impression Robertson would have a plan, would convey that plan to supporters and would bring in the best assistant coaches he could to implement that plan, no matter the nationality.

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                    Of all the things I've seen discussed, I think the ABs should be focused on their defensive system, ball retention and territorial kicking game. They win world cups. Focus on keeping teams at the right end of the pitch and squeezing them into mistakes. NZ have shown that they are still capable of capitalising on transitions. The talent is there.

                    Too many teams are scoring 25+ points against NZ these days. Below 20 and NZ are still looking ok.

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                    • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                      @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                      If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                      When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                      I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                      The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                      

                      really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

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                      @kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                      @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                      If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                      When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                      I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                      The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                      

                      really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

                      Jesus, I don't even think the Cantabs on here would come up with something as silly as that. We all missed a trick, we should have been journos and we could be getting paid for the bollocks we write on the Fern on a daily basis.

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                      • S stodders

                        Of all the things I've seen discussed, I think the ABs should be focused on their defensive system, ball retention and territorial kicking game. They win world cups. Focus on keeping teams at the right end of the pitch and squeezing them into mistakes. NZ have shown that they are still capable of capitalising on transitions. The talent is there.

                        Too many teams are scoring 25+ points against NZ these days. Below 20 and NZ are still looking ok.

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                        @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                        Of all the things I've seen discussed, I think the ABs should be focused on their defensive system, ball retention and territorial kicking game. They win world cups. Focus on keeping teams at the right end of the pitch and squeezing them into mistakes. NZ have shown that they are still capable of capitalising on transitions. The talent is there.

                        Too many teams are scoring 25+ points against NZ these days. Below 20 and NZ are still looking ok.

                        Agreed.

                        As a general rule, if we keep other teams to less than 20 points, we are basically unbeatable ( I think I saw this stat somewhere).

                        Equally, if we are kept to less than 20 points, the loss percentage goes through the roof. If teams are taking their chances on penalties to maul, they can probably get above that number unless we do something about it.

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                        • gt12G gt12

                          @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                          Of all the things I've seen discussed, I think the ABs should be focused on their defensive system, ball retention and territorial kicking game. They win world cups. Focus on keeping teams at the right end of the pitch and squeezing them into mistakes. NZ have shown that they are still capable of capitalising on transitions. The talent is there.

                          Too many teams are scoring 25+ points against NZ these days. Below 20 and NZ are still looking ok.

                          Agreed.

                          As a general rule, if we keep other teams to less than 20 points, we are basically unbeatable ( I think I saw this stat somewhere).

                          Equally, if we are kept to less than 20 points, the loss percentage goes through the roof. If teams are taking their chances on penalties to maul, they can probably get above that number unless we do something about it.

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                          @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                          @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                          Of all the things I've seen discussed, I think the ABs should be focused on their defensive system, ball retention and territorial kicking game. They win world cups. Focus on keeping teams at the right end of the pitch and squeezing them into mistakes. NZ have shown that they are still capable of capitalising on transitions. The talent is there.

                          Too many teams are scoring 25+ points against NZ these days. Below 20 and NZ are still looking ok.

                          Agreed.

                          As a general rule, if we keep other teams to less than 20 points, we are basically unbeatable ( I think I saw this stat somewhere).

                          Equally, if we are kept to less than 20 points, the loss percentage goes through the roof. If teams are taking their chances on penalties to maul, they can probably get above that number unless we do something about it.

                          that was me!! Over the last however many years i looked at, if we got to 22 points, generally we were home.

                          That is not the case now

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                          • gt12G gt12

                            @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                            Of all the things I've seen discussed, I think the ABs should be focused on their defensive system, ball retention and territorial kicking game. They win world cups. Focus on keeping teams at the right end of the pitch and squeezing them into mistakes. NZ have shown that they are still capable of capitalising on transitions. The talent is there.

                            Too many teams are scoring 25+ points against NZ these days. Below 20 and NZ are still looking ok.

                            Agreed.

                            As a general rule, if we keep other teams to less than 20 points, we are basically unbeatable ( I think I saw this stat somewhere).

                            Equally, if we are kept to less than 20 points, the loss percentage goes through the roof. If teams are taking their chances on penalties to maul, they can probably get above that number unless we do something about it.

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                            @gt12 said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                            @stodders said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                            Of all the things I've seen discussed, I think the ABs should be focused on their defensive system, ball retention and territorial kicking game. They win world cups. Focus on keeping teams at the right end of the pitch and squeezing them into mistakes. NZ have shown that they are still capable of capitalising on transitions. The talent is there.

                            Too many teams are scoring 25+ points against NZ these days. Below 20 and NZ are still looking ok.

                            Agreed.

                            As a general rule, if we keep other teams to less than 20 points, we are basically unbeatable ( I think I saw this stat somewhere).

                            Equally, if we are kept to less than 20 points, the loss percentage goes through the roof. If teams are taking their chances on penalties to maul, they can probably get above that number unless we do something about it.

                            We can't stop anyone right now

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                            • NepiaN Nepia

                              @kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                              @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                              If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                              When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                              I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                              The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                              

                              really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

                              Jesus, I don't even think the Cantabs on here would come up with something as silly as that. We all missed a trick, we should have been journos and we could be getting paid for the bollocks we write on the Fern on a daily basis.

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                              @nepia said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                              @kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                              @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                              If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                              When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                              I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                              The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                              

                              really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

                              Jesus, I don't even think the Cantabs on here would come up with something as silly as that. We all missed a trick, we should have been journos and we could be getting paid for the bollocks we write on the Fern on a daily basis.

                              ha ha, journo's don't really get paid any more. It's minimum wage I think, and it's tragic.

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                              • nzzpN nzzp

                                @nepia said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                @kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                                When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                                I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                                The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                                

                                really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

                                Jesus, I don't even think the Cantabs on here would come up with something as silly as that. We all missed a trick, we should have been journos and we could be getting paid for the bollocks we write on the Fern on a daily basis.

                                ha ha, journo's don't really get paid any more. It's minimum wage I think, and it's tragic.

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                                @nzzp said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                @nepia said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                @kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                                When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                                I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                                https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                                The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                                

                                really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

                                Jesus, I don't even think the Cantabs on here would come up with something as silly as that. We all missed a trick, we should have been journos and we could be getting paid for the bollocks we write on the Fern on a daily basis.

                                ha ha, journo's don't really get paid any more. It's minimum wage I think, and it's tragic.

                                I'd like a little bit of minimum wage for the crap I post on here. With the bollocks he writes I'm sure he has another job as well that actually takes up his time.

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                                • NepiaN Nepia

                                  @nzzp said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  @nepia said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  @kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                                  When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                                  I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                                  The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                                  

                                  really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

                                  Jesus, I don't even think the Cantabs on here would come up with something as silly as that. We all missed a trick, we should have been journos and we could be getting paid for the bollocks we write on the Fern on a daily basis.

                                  ha ha, journo's don't really get paid any more. It's minimum wage I think, and it's tragic.

                                  I'd like a little bit of minimum wage for the crap I post on here. With the bollocks he writes I'm sure he has another job as well that actually takes up his time.

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                                  @nepia said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  @nzzp said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  @nepia said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  @kiwiwomble said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                  @machpants said in All Blacks 2021:

                                  If you can stomach a bit of reason, there was an interesting snippet

                                  When you also consider that six of the lads entered the MIQ lottery to get off the tour – Scott Barrett and Patrick Tuipulotu were successful – then you wonder if this is the happy camp that is constantly being spoken of.

                                  I didn't realize 6 individuals applied to get out early

                                  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/127070598/mark-reason-alarming-drop-in-crusaders-all-blacks-form-an-indictment-of-coach-ian-foster

                                  The uncharitable might even think that it is all part of a diabolical Foster plot to undermine Scott Robertson and the Crusaders ahead of the new season
                                  

                                  really, is anyone actually thinking that except him?

                                  Jesus, I don't even think the Cantabs on here would come up with something as silly as that. We all missed a trick, we should have been journos and we could be getting paid for the bollocks we write on the Fern on a daily basis.

                                  ha ha, journo's don't really get paid any more. It's minimum wage I think, and it's tragic.

                                  I'd like a little bit of minimum wage for the crap I post on here. With the bollocks he writes I'm sure he has another job as well that actually takes up his time.

                                  Based on the quality of his articles, I think journo is Reason's secondary job

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                                    Here's a take from the (wo)man on the street

                                    NSFW

                                    https://mobile.twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1465587668561973252

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                                    • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                      Here's a take from the (wo)man on the street

                                      NSFW

                                      https://mobile.twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1465587668561973252

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                                      @kiwimurph stop promoting your mum's SM channels

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                                      • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                        Here's a take from the (wo)man on the street

                                        NSFW

                                        https://mobile.twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1465587668561973252

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                                        @kiwimurph said in Foster, Robertson, Other Options etc:

                                        Here's a take from the (wo)man on the street

                                        NSFW

                                        https://mobile.twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1465587668561973252

                                        interesting OnlyFans, would subscribe

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                                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                          Here's a take from the (wo)man on the street

                                          NSFW

                                          https://mobile.twitter.com/JamieWall2/status/1465587668561973252

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                                          @kiwimurph Wherever that munter is from, I am staying away from. After the first sentence, I had to stop it.

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