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@chris said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This is the annoying stuff, not only should the funding be more secure before deciding what to build, i know plenty of people from the surrounding districts that signed the petition, hell actively campaigned on the socials for others to do so
pretty unfair to the actual residents of chch
If you don't want to contribute don't attend matches at the stadium,Very annoying article it is a regional stadium not a Chch stadium,This attitude really pisses me off.
This has been a great demonstration of how broken local councils can get.
@kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@chris said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This is the annoying stuff, not only should the funding be more secure before deciding what to build, i know plenty of people from the surrounding districts that signed the petition, hell actively campaigned on the socials for others to do so
pretty unfair to the actual residents of chch
If you don't want to contribute don't attend matches at the stadium,Very annoying article it is a regional stadium not a Chch stadium,This attitude really pisses me off.
This has been a great demonstration of how broken local councils can get.
Imagine being that shit at politics, local council was your ceiling.
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@chris said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This is the annoying stuff, not only should the funding be more secure before deciding what to build, i know plenty of people from the surrounding districts that signed the petition, hell actively campaigned on the socials for others to do so
pretty unfair to the actual residents of chch
If you don't want to contribute don't attend matches at the stadium,Very annoying article it is a regional stadium not a Chch stadium,This attitude really pisses me off.
Don't worry, I'm a Selwyn rates payer and I'll let them know that we should contribute. I'd like that far more than a new fucking park in Rolleston ffs.
@gt12 said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@chris said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This is the annoying stuff, not only should the funding be more secure before deciding what to build, i know plenty of people from the surrounding districts that signed the petition, hell actively campaigned on the socials for others to do so
pretty unfair to the actual residents of chch
If you don't want to contribute don't attend matches at the stadium,Very annoying article it is a regional stadium not a Chch stadium,This attitude really pisses me off.
Don't worry, I'm a Selwyn rates payer and I'll let them know that we should contribute. I'd like that far more than a new fucking park in Rolleston ffs.
100 per cent
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@chris said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This is the annoying stuff, not only should the funding be more secure before deciding what to build, i know plenty of people from the surrounding districts that signed the petition, hell actively campaigned on the socials for others to do so
pretty unfair to the actual residents of chch
If you don't want to contribute don't attend matches at the stadium,Very annoying article it is a regional stadium not a Chch stadium,This attitude really pisses me off.
This has been a great demonstration of how broken local councils can get.
@kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@chris said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This is the annoying stuff, not only should the funding be more secure before deciding what to build, i know plenty of people from the surrounding districts that signed the petition, hell actively campaigned on the socials for others to do so
pretty unfair to the actual residents of chch
If you don't want to contribute don't attend matches at the stadium,Very annoying article it is a regional stadium not a Chch stadium,This attitude really pisses me off.
This has been a great demonstration of how broken local councils can get.
I am afraid you are correct,
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still discussing it after a decision have been made about size etc is pretty fucked up
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@kiwiwomble does anyone get the feeling the council simply doesn't want to build it?
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@kiwiwomble does anyone get the feeling the council simply doesn't want to build it?
@antipodean i think what i fearer would happen is happening, too much effort to try and get the perfect stadium, which has delayed things so much that the cost is far exceeding the money they received for the old one so more investment needed form council etc which makes it even more likely to become a white elephant
Probably could have had a 25-30k stadium without a roof several years ago
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So, take this with agrain of salt as it's third-hand information, but I had coffee with a chap recently who is involved in a side hustle with one of the top dog Aussies here to manage this project.
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Apparently every month the project is static - like now, and as it appears to have been for 3-4 months since closing off the roading in the area - it costs $1m. And this time next year if the same thing is happening, it'll be $2m per month.
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The project team has been pushing the CCC hard to get groundworks underway. Theory being, no matter what happens, the footprint isn't going to grow but costs are rising. I can vouch for that from my industry involvement: steel has gone up approx 50% this year and will go up another 20% or so by the end of Q1 next year. And there will be a fuck load of steel in this job. But the CCC continues to sit on it's hands.
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This chap has said the CCC is the slowest, most beuracratic and inefficient governmental body they've dealt with anywhere in the world. Surprise surprise!
So take it from all this that the budget will shrink or the CCC will need to kick over a few more stones to get back to the $485m required to build this thing. It's impossible not to see some further carnage arising around this be it an uproar over more monmey being required or an uproar over a further attempted shrinking of the project. The only other alternative is to quietly further down-spec the stadium.
This continues to be a catastrophic fuck up from the CCC which can only get worse.
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@antipodean i think what i fearer would happen is happening, too much effort to try and get the perfect stadium, which has delayed things so much that the cost is far exceeding the money they received for the old one so more investment needed form council etc which makes it even more likely to become a white elephant
Probably could have had a 25-30k stadium without a roof several years ago
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
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@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
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So, take this with agrain of salt as it's third-hand information, but I had coffee with a chap recently who is involved in a side hustle with one of the top dog Aussies here to manage this project.
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Apparently every month the project is static - like now, and as it appears to have been for 3-4 months since closing off the roading in the area - it costs $1m. And this time next year if the same thing is happening, it'll be $2m per month.
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The project team has been pushing the CCC hard to get groundworks underway. Theory being, no matter what happens, the footprint isn't going to grow but costs are rising. I can vouch for that from my industry involvement: steel has gone up approx 50% this year and will go up another 20% or so by the end of Q1 next year. And there will be a fuck load of steel in this job. But the CCC continues to sit on it's hands.
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This chap has said the CCC is the slowest, most beuracratic and inefficient governmental body they've dealt with anywhere in the world. Surprise surprise!
So take it from all this that the budget will shrink or the CCC will need to kick over a few more stones to get back to the $485m required to build this thing. It's impossible not to see some further carnage arising around this be it an uproar over more monmey being required or an uproar over a further attempted shrinking of the project. The only other alternative is to quietly further down-spec the stadium.
This continues to be a catastrophic fuck up from the CCC which can only get worse.
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This continues to be a catastrophic fuck up from the CCC which can only get worse.
Regrettably, this appears to be 100% true.
Honestly, could you have a worse outcome for the amount of money spent? It's insane; delays are expensive. In the meantime, Addington continues to be used.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This continues to be a catastrophic fuck up from the CCC which can only get worse.
Regrettably, this appears to be 100% true.
Honestly, could you have a worse outcome for the amount of money spent? It's insane; delays are expensive. In the meantime, Addington continues to be used.
@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This continues to be a catastrophic fuck up from the CCC which can only get worse.
Regrettably, this appears to be 100% true.
Honestly, could you have a worse outcome for the amount of money spent? It's insane; delays are expensive. In the meantime, Addington continues to be used.
Luckily Addington is super over engineered, 20 year lifespan rings a bell even though when built they were looking at 5 years and hoping to have a stadium for the lions series
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@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This continues to be a catastrophic fuck up from the CCC which can only get worse.
Regrettably, this appears to be 100% true.
Honestly, could you have a worse outcome for the amount of money spent? It's insane; delays are expensive. In the meantime, Addington continues to be used.
Luckily Addington is super over engineered, 20 year lifespan rings a bell even though when built they were looking at 5 years and hoping to have a stadium for the lions series
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
This continues to be a catastrophic fuck up from the CCC which can only get worse.
Regrettably, this appears to be 100% true.
Honestly, could you have a worse outcome for the amount of money spent? It's insane; delays are expensive. In the meantime, Addington continues to be used.
Luckily Addington is super over engineered, 20 year lifespan rings a bell even though when built they were looking at 5 years and hoping to have a stadium for the lions series
In theory it was intended to be returned to Canterbury Rugby League as a usable stadium.
Not sure what it is in the water here, the DHB is useless as well.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
@godder said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
Good point, but the original intent was to have a stadium for the Lions tour four years ago, and building a modified version of an existing plan for an open stadium eg Bankwest is a lot more straightforward than trying to shoehorn in a roofed stadium.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
@godder said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
conversely the "temp" stadium went up in 100 days, metro sports has many more stakeholders and even its definition/purpose was very vague for a long time, i think an off the shelf bowl rectangular stadium like we see 100's of in europe or copy and paste forsyth barr for a smaller covered stadium and it could have been ready for 2017
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@godder said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
conversely the "temp" stadium went up in 100 days, metro sports has many more stakeholders and even its definition/purpose was very vague for a long time, i think an off the shelf bowl rectangular stadium like we see 100's of in europe or copy and paste forsyth barr for a smaller covered stadium and it could have been ready for 2017
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@godder said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
conversely the "temp" stadium went up in 100 days, metro sports has many more stakeholders and even its definition/purpose was very vague for a long time, i think an off the shelf bowl rectangular stadium like we see 100's of in europe or cut and paste forsyth barr for a smaller covered stadium and it could have been ready for 2017
Totally agree - my cynical observation is that requires decisionmaking, and city council seems to be beset by analysis paralysis.
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@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@godder said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@kiwiwomble re your last comment, yes, absolutely. Had there not been this hopelessly mis-guided obsession with an indoor stadium, we could have whacked up an upgraded 40k seater Bankwest Stadium years ago and had the best stadium in NZ, a true international class venue and possibly even had change leftover.
The Crusaders should have spent more time pushing for day games and an uncovered stadium
Many people should have pushed for an open stadium. It'd be done by now.
I doubt it, even the metro facility isn't completed yet.
conversely the "temp" stadium went up in 100 days, metro sports has many more stakeholders and even its definition/purpose was very vague for a long time, i think an off the shelf bowl rectangular stadium like we see 100's of in europe or cut and paste forsyth barr for a smaller covered stadium and it could have been ready for 2017
Totally agree - my cynical observation is that requires decisionmaking, and city council seems to be beset by analysis paralysis.
@godder yes, i think think if they had just decided to build what they could afford, either smaller and covered or larger and uncovered, and live with some complaints they would have already had a few years enjoying a new stadium and we'd only have the odd comment down the pub "they should have done this or that"
God forbid they show real forward thinking and build an uncovered stadium with the capacity to have one added down the track
