NZ tour of India
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
the edge through the slips, and Saha bursting through the hands (twice I think) around 50/5 were massive. We chase 150, we win that game.
To bat out 4 sessions thouhg, on an Indian pitch is a massive achievement.
@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
the edge through the slips, and Saha bursting through the hands (twice I think) around 50/5 were massive. We chase 150, we win that game.
To bat out THE LAST 4 sessions though, on an Indian pitch is a massive achievement.
That's the thing. The last 4 sessions!!!
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nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
Gave it up or they fought back? At no stage in our second innings was a win on the cards. Pitch had no runs in it (at least no quick runs).
When we had them at 5 for fuck-all in their second we did try to force the advantage but they were better. -
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
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@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
He was seen as more than just a bit of a prodigy.
In my time only Williamson and C Cairns have had more expectations of a youth cricketer to crack the big time.
In some ways it's a little surprising that it has taken him to age 22, and that it is his secondary skill the has got him in the the 11. Especially that he plays in our traditionally weakest position - opener. But he's had a pretty solid apprenticeship from 20 to 22 involving NZ 'A' cricket. So, not been a waste. Good that we are strong enough not to have to throw 19 year olds in the deep end anymore.
Anyway, good debut. Coming in at 7 and having to dead bat spinners on a low deck is not what he has had to build his provincial career on so far.
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
@canes4life said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
That's the best 18* that Ravindra may ever score...
If he has got mettle like that he may well make many more runs for NZ.
We wasn't named in part for Rahul Dravid for nothing.
Rachin is a product of my old school and was seen as a bit of a prodigy when he was dominating at that level a few years ago.
It's awesome to see him come through the levels and survive that barrage last night in his first test. The kid is probably more suited to the top order but he will relish any opportunity at this point. He could become a real gold nugget for us if his bowling can match his batting.
He was seen as more than just a bit of a prodigy.
In my time only Williamson and C Cairns have had more expectations of a youth cricketer to crack the big time.
In some ways it's a little surprising that it has taken him to age 22, and that it is his secondary skill the has got him in the the 11. Especially that he plays in our traditionally weakest position - opener. But he's had a pretty solid apprenticeship from 20 to 22 involving NZ 'A' cricket. So, not been a waste. Good that we are strong enough not to have to throw 19 year olds in the deep end anymore.
Anyway, good debut. Coming in at 7 and having to dead bat spinners on a low deck is not what he has had to build his provincial career on so far.
He could have come in and flashed the bat. But he ground it out in a massive pressure situation, and that deserves huge praise
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
@kiwipie said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
Nicholls is a weird one. I've never seen a player before miss straight ones by so much and get bowled or LBW. But, this is the tricky thing, it isn't really any indicator of his form. I've seen him get a century and then follow it up by missing a ball by almost the width of a football field ...
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
@kiwipie said in NZ tour of India:
Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
Blundell hitting it down into the rough was super unlucky. That was a crazy bounce
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@kiwipie said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
Interesting from cricinfo
Since the start of 2013, India have won 19 tosses in Tests at home. Apart from the two weather-affected draws, they have won 16 matches, and only one by fewer than 100 runs. This Kanpur draw in the 19th is arguably the best performance by a side against arguably the biggest challenge in Test cricket today: to face India in India and lose the toss. It is hard enough to face India in India, but once they get the first use of the pitch, it is a nightmare, which shows in these numbers.Exactly this. The key to NZ survival was that the pitch had no demons, it was low and slow so survival was more about concentration and shot discipline than anything else (unless you got one that didn't bounce at all). Didn't make it to the end as I was nodding off on the couch old man style so was pleasantly surprised to see that they held out. Should have made it to a draw in smoother fashion if Nichols hadn't totally missed a straight ball - commentators talking it up as a great delivery but just an awful shot.
Nicholls is a weird one. I've never seen a player before miss straight ones by so much and get bowled or LBW. But, this is the tricky thing, it isn't really any indicator of his form. I've seen him get a century and then follow it up by missing a ball by almost the width of a football field ...
I like Nicholls, but with Young, Conway and Ravindra now behind him he's under pressure.
I think he'll get the home summer and if he can't produce will be replaced. I had the same feeling last year and he produced that big century against the West Indies I think. The selectors definitely have a pattern of preferring to play guys for a couple of games too many rather than dumping them too soon. I like it and I think it's been a part of our recent success.
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I like Nicholls, but with Young, Conway and Ravindra now behind him he's under pressure.
I think he'll get the home summer and if he can't produce will be replaced. I had the same feeling last year and he produced that big century against the West Indies I think. The selectors definitely have a pattern of preferring to play guys for a couple of games too many rather than dumping them too soon. I like it and I think it's been a part of our recent success.
@cyclops said in NZ tour of India:
I like Nicholls, but with Young, Conway and Ravindra now behind him he's under pressure.
I think he'll get the home summer and if he can't produce will be replaced. I had the same feeling last year and he produced that big century against the West Indies I think. The selectors definitely have a pattern of preferring to play guys for a couple of games too many rather than dumping them too soon. I like it and I think it's been a part of our recent success.
Yeah Nicholls will plunder a massive score at home. That’s a given.
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nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
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@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
Am I being ridiculous in being quietly confident for the next test? We now have had a decent warm-up in the conditions and we are going to a wicket that won't be as harsh for us?
Wagner bowling 50+ overs and at least one of Taylor or Nichols being due for some runs.We might get to enforce a follow-on if we win the toss
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@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
Am I being ridiculous in being quietly confident for the next test? We now have had a decent warm-up in the conditions and we are going to a wicket that won't be as harsh for us?
Wagner bowling 50+ overs and at least one of Taylor or Nichols being due for some runs.We might get to enforce a follow-on if we win the toss
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@hooroo said in NZ tour of India:
Am I being ridiculous in being quietly confident for the next test?
This kind of post could age like milk. The toss will be so important!
@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@hooroo said in NZ tour of India:
Am I being ridiculous in being quietly confident for the next test?
This kind of post could age like milk. The toss will be so important!
Yeah I hear you.
I think we are a better team than India at the moment with Wagner starting, and I also think we are mentally tougher in that if we get to put true pressure on them they will fold.
And if the exact opposite happens it only means I'm wrong
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Obviously depends on the pitch but I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see an unchanged side
Which of the spinners do you leave out? Ravindra? But then you lengthen the tail
One of Ajaz or Somerville and your effectively going in with one specialist spinner
I guess Kanes elbow injury precludes him bowling. Shame I think he’d do a holding role better than any of our spinners
Personally I’d bring Wags in but I’d have had him in this Test ahead of Timmee so clearly I know nothing.
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Obviously depends on the pitch but I wouldn’t be totally surprised to see an unchanged side
Which of the spinners do you leave out? Ravindra? But then you lengthen the tail
One of Ajaz or Somerville and your effectively going in with one specialist spinner
I guess Kanes elbow injury precludes him bowling. Shame I think he’d do a holding role better than any of our spinners
Personally I’d bring Wags in but I’d have had him in this Test ahead of Timmee so clearly I know nothing.
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
I guess Kanes elbow injury precludes him bowling. Shame I think he’d do a holding role better than any of our spinners
I think his elbow bend precludes his bowling. Which is a pity - he had some really useful offies to biff down
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For me Sommerville gets replaced by Wags. Forget the last innings batting effort, how many wickets did he take? 0
Ravindra holds his spot for ironically batting, just you cant have both and at least Ajaz can take wickets.
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For me Sommerville gets replaced by Wags. Forget the last innings batting effort, how many wickets did he take? 0
Ravindra holds his spot for ironically batting, just you cant have both and at least Ajaz can take wickets.
@bayimports said in NZ tour of India:
For me Sommerville gets replaced by Wags. Forget the last innings batting effort, how many wickets did he take? 0
Ravindra holds his spot for ironically batting, just you cant have both and at least Ajaz can take wickets.
pretty well it. Yuo have to choose two of the three spinners, and if Wags playing, then Rachindra gets the nod on batting and as the fifth bowler. Patel gets it for looking slightly more threatening.
Tough on Will Somemeville, but that's life
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
I guess Kanes elbow injury precludes him bowling. Shame I think he’d do a holding role better than any of our spinners
I think his elbow bend precludes his bowling. Which is a pity - he had some really useful offies to biff down
@nzzp said in NZ tour of India:
@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
I guess Kanes elbow injury precludes him bowling. Shame I think he’d do a holding role better than any of our spinners
I think his elbow bend precludes his bowling. Which is a pity - he had some really useful offies to biff down
He’s just lazy. He’s only captain and the best batsman. He should really contribute with his bowling as well.
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@cyclops said in NZ tour of India:
I like Nicholls, but with Young, Conway and Ravindra now behind him he's under pressure.
I think he'll get the home summer and if he can't produce will be replaced. I had the same feeling last year and he produced that big century against the West Indies I think. The selectors definitely have a pattern of preferring to play guys for a couple of games too many rather than dumping them too soon. I like it and I think it's been a part of our recent success.
Yeah Nicholls will plunder a massive score at home. That’s a given.
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@cyclops said in NZ tour of India:
I like Nicholls, but with Young, Conway and Ravindra now behind him he's under pressure.
I think he'll get the home summer and if he can't produce will be replaced. I had the same feeling last year and he produced that big century against the West Indies I think. The selectors definitely have a pattern of preferring to play guys for a couple of games too many rather than dumping them too soon. I like it and I think it's been a part of our recent success.
Yeah Nicholls will plunder a massive score at home. That’s a given.
That, or we'll face some sides that can catch this summer.
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@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
Am I being ridiculous in being quietly confident for the next test? We now have had a decent warm-up in the conditions and we are going to a wicket that won't be as harsh for us?
Wagner bowling 50+ overs and at least one of Taylor or Nichols being due for some runs.We might get to enforce a follow-on if we win the toss
@hooroo said in NZ tour of India:
@rotated said in NZ tour of India:
@mariner4life said in NZ tour of India:
nice bit of tail end heroics and all but
we were in position like 3 different times to ram home an advantage and we gave it up each time. We're better than fighting draws, even in india. We let them off the hook repeatedly.
Winning in India is fucking hard (see dogmeat above) so when you get a sniff you need to be ruthless.
It was semi-predictable though given the undercooked middle order and having only really two and a half test quality bowlers. But like you my hopes were certainly up at 150/0 and then at 51/5.
All in all for the first match in an away series against a big 3 side I will take a draw all day, especially after losing the toss. Flush the dunny, move on and pick Wags for the second test.
Am I being ridiculous in being quietly confident for the next test? We now have had a decent warm-up in the conditions and we are going to a wicket that won't be as harsh for us?
Wagner bowling 50+ overs and at least one of Taylor or Nichols being due for some runs.We might get to enforce a follow-on if we win the toss
Wagner will definitely help our bowling, but I’m still concerned about putting up enough runs.
