All Blacks 2021
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@kiwi_expat
mcdonald is just finding his feet at super level
holland well we will ask the hurricanes supporters what they think
ryan is developing nicely and is probably better now that 2 years ago
mcleod well should we ask what the fern thinks about our defenceas i said both staff average
what we need is another wayne smith. in that someone who puts ego aside and do what is needed for the all blacks to succeed. sadly all the contenders last time only wanted the top job and not work together to get best outcome. they are aloud to but best results might not happen for us.
some people here keep talking about some kind of dream team of last times contenders but none of them showed any inclination to do this and i cannot see this changing.the loser in this are the fanswhat we need is another wayne smith. in that someone who puts ego aside and do what is needed for the all blacks to succeed. sadly all the contenders last time only wanted the top job and not work together to get best outcome. they are aloud to but best results might not happen for us.
some people here keep talking about some kind of dream team of last times contenders but none of them showed any inclination to do this and i cannot see this changing.the loser in this are the fansIn a perfect world we just assemble this lot together:
NZ's best head honcho/man-manager: Razor.
NZ's best strategist/game-planner: Schmidt.
NZ's most creative/innovate attack coach: Brown.
NZ's best forwards coach: Dermody.
NZ's best defensive coach: Smith.
NZ's best scrummaging coach: Ryan.
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what we need is another wayne smith. in that someone who puts ego aside and do what is needed for the all blacks to succeed. sadly all the contenders last time only wanted the top job and not work together to get best outcome. they are aloud to but best results might not happen for us.
some people here keep talking about some kind of dream team of last times contenders but none of them showed any inclination to do this and i cannot see this changing.the loser in this are the fansIn a perfect world we just assemble this lot together:
NZ's best head honcho/man-manager: Razor.
NZ's best strategist/game-planner: Schmidt.
NZ's most creative/innovate attack coach: Brown.
NZ's best forwards coach: Dermody.
NZ's best defensive coach: Smith.
NZ's best scrummaging coach: Ryan.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2021:
what we need is another wayne smith. in that someone who puts ego aside and do what is needed for the all blacks to succeed. sadly all the contenders last time only wanted the top job and not work together to get best outcome. they are aloud to but best results might not happen for us.
some people here keep talking about some kind of dream team of last times contenders but none of them showed any inclination to do this and i cannot see this changing.the loser in this are the fansIn a perfect world we just assemble this lot together:
NZ's best head honcho/man-manager: Razor.
NZ's best strategist/game-planner: Schmidt.
NZ's most creative/innovate attack coach: Brown.
NZ's best forwards coach: Dermody.
NZ's best defensive coach: Smith.
NZ's best scrummaging coach: Ryan.
That is one hell of a Coaching team.
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Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
very surprised that Robertson wasn't properly prepared,
apparently he hadn't sorted out his coaching staff properly..Where did you hear this from,I hear differently to that he had his support staff pretty sorted.
Leon McDonald was in the mix to come on board with Razor as well as Jason Ryan and Jason Holland.
If you knew Razor you would understand he is meticulous in his planning.
@chris said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
very surprised that Robertson wasn't properly prepared,
apparently he hadn't sorted out his coaching staff properly..Where did you hear this from,I hear differently to that he had his support staff pretty sorted.
Leon McDonald was in the mix to come on board with Razor as well as Jason Ryan and Jason Holland.
If you knew Razor you would understand he is meticulous in his planning.
It was a piece written on the net, think it was on stuff sport - anyway can't really trust what they write... only way to really know what was going on is if we actually heard him say something about it on the tv etc.
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Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
@kiwibloke I ask this as actually a bit of a laumape fan…do you think in his 15 caps he ever really locked it up? Most would say 15 caps is a decent shot
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@kiwibloke I ask this as actually a bit of a laumape fan…do you think in his 15 caps he ever really locked it up? Most would say 15 caps is a decent shot
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke I ask this as actually a bit of a laumape fan…do you think in his 15 caps he ever really locked it up? Most would say 15 caps is a decent shot
15 caps would be a really decent shot if those games were all played in a row... but he was in & out of the team, which also makes it difficult to get a midfield combo going.
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Tuitupou-from-Wish.com is not the answer to anything. And he was a bit of a bitch.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
Yeah, Laumpape is average... but Laumape is a much better midfielder :smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
Yeah, Laumpape is average... but Laumape is a much better midfielder :smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:
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@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
Yeah, Laumpape is average... but Laumape is a much better midfielder :smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
Yeah, Laumpape is average... but Laumape is a much better midfielder :smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:
I went with the Italian spelling.
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@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
Yeah, Laumpape is average... but Laumape is a much better midfielder :smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:
I went with the Italian spelling.
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@bones said in All Blacks 2021:
@kiwibloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
Loooool
Here's a new one
Henry was a shit coach but Laumape was the answer at 12 and an asset we needed to keep.
Keep delivering Fern
No one said Henry was a shit coach, but he wasn't a great one either... yeah, Laumape was the answer at 12 - tell me from the ABs this year anyone that performed really well at 12 ? in fact tell me any midfielder that performed really well ? they were all very average & hardly added anything on attack.
True, they all performed to Laumpape's test level. We need better.
Yeah, Laumpape is average... but Laumape is a much better midfielder :smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:
I went with the Italian spelling.
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I don't think Laumape was ever hard done by, he got 15 tests, and they weren't in a row, he never in any tests I saw looked like he would be a dominant force at test level. He was still there or there abouts when he decided he wanted the money, so don't know why anyone is even worrying about him. Even at Super level generally he was a good player, but only looked 'real good' on odd occasion. I personally think Tupaea to me looks a better prospect, as he seems to have a better all round game.
In saying that I thought Havili was bloody good and perhaps his start faded a little during the test season, but I still haven't given up on him yet either. -
i'll add, i did rate him and think he could do a shift at 12, Fozzie has shown he's happy to use crash ball at 12, he tried to get Goodhue to do it in 2020 and even tried bringing bridge in from the wing to do it last year...Laumape would be much better than either of them....but i think he's a long way from the missing link between the AB and winning everything
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How has Laumape being playing in France? I had read he has been fairly ordinary, so not really an endorsement that he was the answer for the ABs.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
How has Laumape being playing in France? I had read he has been fairly ordinary, so not really an endorsement that he was the answer for the ABs.
I've seen a few games he played, ho going ok without setting the place on fire.
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How has Laumape being playing in France? I had read he has been fairly ordinary, so not really an endorsement that he was the answer for the ABs.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2021:
How has Laumape being playing in France? I had read he has been fairly ordinary, so not really an endorsement that he was the answer for the ABs.
Shock as ax-AB goes to France to chase cash but stinks out the joint
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Key attributes of the ideal AB coach now, a personal view. What are we missing?
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Experience: Intenational Head Coach previously and:
-- The ability to assemble and retain a the best coaching team with innovative thinkers/thinking within that (ego management a big part)
-- Proven record of demonstrated & progressive success, interspersed with failure and self-learning (aka a winner with battle scars, failing upwards)
-- Almost unlimited ambition (keeps moving on and up) tempered with personal humility
-- Zero complacency. Just frikken' zero
-- Anyone who fancies a "Director of Rugby role" anywhere/any level has lost their ambition/edge and is disqualified (looking at you, Warren!)
-- Can manage upwards, so prior NZR trust/connections/smooching DO help
-- Self confidence to develop an Assistant as their potential successor, knows when to move on -
Tactically astute, with a personal vision for how he wants the team to play
-- Visionary not reactive
-- Willingness to innovate and lose in a healthy way for a bit (when innovating)
-- Tactically flexible for the big games
-- Pick the right players and to match tactics, not just pick the "best players"
-- Ruthless, knows when to drop players regardless of seniority / pay-grade to make the point
-- Actions match words/vision => team selection
-- Player-management ... who needs a kick-up-the ass? Who won't respond to that?
-- "Lucky" :face_with_tears_of_joy: ... sorry but it's SO true imo
Potentials: Schmid, Joseph, Rennie (won't happen ... but I rate him)
Close but no cigar: Eddie Jones (won't happen, wrong guy for the AB setup mainly based on being a lone-wolf operator, witness the revolving gate on Assistants plus total lack an England successor despite it being a stated goal a few year back)
Potential, but not yet: Scott Robertson - lack of international international experience, lack of "failing upwards" (yet, but it's part of growing)
Probably not: Warren G (think he's lot his hands-on edge and ambition. Time will tell)
Currently -
- Schmid ticks the most boxes, but if he has the ambition is tbd?
- Joseph might be able to bring the best coaching team if he can can manage his and all the egos, so tbd?
- Status quo - Fozzie always seems to have few standouts apart from his NZR connections and managing upwards. Maybe man-management too as he seems a nice bloke at a personal level
** My views may not represent TSF "consensus"! :winking_face:
Thoughts?
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