Super Rugby 2022
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@african-monkey thats a bloody good point
and also doesn't address things like of the Highlanders world beating midfield....two had season ending injuries, two other looks passable at NPC level and the other two have been used much more on the wing at super level and sio will kill someone of get carded....and that probably the only fact in this thread
i actually agree that maybe they can look better than they are because of how razor had the team playing....but im not going as far as saying its a fact theyre shit
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
i actually agree that maybe they can look better than they are because of how razor had the team playing....but im not going as far as saying its a fact theyre shit
Maybe? It's quite obvious the team appears far greater than the sum of their parts when they're performing at their best.
I remember a while back Squidge did an analysis of different club side's structures/systems & overall team cohesion. The Crusaders metrics were literally off the charts under Robertson and additionally exceeded the best results from other sporting codes as well.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
i actually agree that maybe they can look better than they are because of how razor had the team playing....but im not going as far as saying its a fact theyre shit
Maybe? It's quite obvious the team appears far greater than the sum of their parts when they're performing at their best.
I remember a while back Squidge did an analysis of different club side's structures/systems & overall team cohesion. The Crusaders metrics were literally off the charts under Robertson and additionally exceeded the best results from other sporting codes as well.
@kiwi_expat it might also be the other way around too, fozzies game plan making them look worse than they are
almost certainly a bit of both
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Crusaders MF options are not that small
Goodhue 187 cm 105 kg
McLeod. 197 cm 101 kg
Punivai. 189 cm 100kg
Ennor 187 cm 95 kg
Havilli 188 cm. 90 kg being the smallest.Compare pretty well, then if Leicester Fainga'anuku is classed as a potential centre were he played a bit for the Crusaders last season he is a big unit at 188cm 109 kg
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Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website. McLeod 99kg, Ennor 94kg.
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Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website. McLeod 99kg, Ennor 94kg.
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
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Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website. McLeod 99kg, Ennor 94kg.
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website. McLeod 99kg, Ennor 94kg.
Again old stats before the 2021 season started,the players all bulk a little each season as long as it doesn't effect performance
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
Be good to see how well Goodhue comes back after a second major knee opp. I remember him playing wing for the U20's and was pretty pacy. Might be good idea to bulk up, focus on 12 and a power game.
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@chris he's always looked bigger than his weight suggests too, plenty of website stats are misleading (sometimes plain wrong)
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris he's always looked bigger than his weight suggests too, plenty of website stats are misleading (sometimes plain wrong)
Yep you could look on Wiki it would be different ,players change body mass to cover injuries etc to reinforce or prevent further injuries.
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@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
Be good to see how well Goodhue comes back after a second major knee opp. I remember him playing wing for the U20's and was pretty pacy. Might be good idea to bulk up, focus on 12 and a power game.
@themojoman said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
Be good to see how well Goodhue comes back after a second major knee opp. I remember him playing wing for the U20's and was pretty pacy. Might be good idea to bulk up, focus on 12 and a power game.
Thats is How I understand it,he is working on more power.Looks like March comeback for him.
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@kiwi_expat it might also be the other way around too, fozzies game plan making them look worse than they are
almost certainly a bit of both
@kiwiwomble It will be interesting to see Havili for the Crusaders this season. His disappearance in Black looks as much like a coaching/strategy issue as anything. If the structures the All Black coaches want to play don't suit Havili then fine, but why select him in the first place? Just another unfortunate example of square pegs in round holes under Foster's vastly inferior structures. Why does Foster continue to select Havili over others when he doesn't have an effective strategy (that's based off his strengths) to properly utilize him?
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@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
Goodhue is 100kg, look on their website
No he is bigger now that is pre last season stats he's been doing some power up work.Help out his ACL he injured and quads.
Be good to see how well Goodhue comes back after a second major knee opp. I remember him playing wing for the U20's and was pretty pacy. Might be good idea to bulk up, focus on 12 and a power game.
@themojoman which is what I think they were looking to do that year he played 12...his defence and work rate off the ball is top notch, not to mention being a smart player, if he can adapt to 12 better or get a yard of pace back, puts him right back in the frame.
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@kiwiwomble It will be interesting to see Havili for the Crusaders this season. His disappearance in Black looks as much like a coaching/strategy issue as anything. If the structures the All Black coaches want to play don't suit Havili then fine, but why select him in the first place? Just another unfortunate example of square pegs in round holes under Foster's vastly inferior structures. Why does Foster continue to select Havili over others when he doesn't have an effective strategy (that's based off his strengths) to properly utilize him?
@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwiwomble It will be interesting to see Havili for the Crusaders this season. His disappearance in Black looks as much like a coaching/strategy issue as anything. If the structures the All Black coaches want to play don't suit Havili then fine, but why select him in the first place? Just another unfortunate example of square pegs in round holes under Foster's vastly inferior structures. Why does Foster continue to select Havili over others when he doesn't have an effective strategy (that's based off his strengths) to properly utilize him?
Because Foster has no idea how to Properly utilize him.Would be my answer.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwiwomble It will be interesting to see Havili for the Crusaders this season. His disappearance in Black looks as much like a coaching/strategy issue as anything. If the structures the All Black coaches want to play don't suit Havili then fine, but why select him in the first place? Just another unfortunate example of square pegs in round holes under Foster's vastly inferior structures. Why does Foster continue to select Havili over others when he doesn't have an effective strategy (that's based off his strengths) to properly utilize him?
Because Foster has no idea how to Properly utilize him.Would be my answer.
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@chris i actually cut our midfielders a lot of slack as several games had SUPER slow ball, cant remember which game but there was one where TJ and BB were taking forever to get the ball out
@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris i actually cut our midfielders a lot of slack as several games had SUPER slow ball, cant remember which game but there was one where TJ and BB were taking forever to get the ball out
Have to agree the options were pretty limited for our MF, it looked like organised chaos inside them at times.
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris i actually cut our midfielders a lot of slack as several games had SUPER slow ball, cant remember which game but there was one where TJ and BB were taking forever to get the ball out
Have to agree the options were pretty limited for our MF, it looked like organised chaos inside them at times.
The ball was shuffled to the MF when they seemed to have run out of ideas,@chris if you are getting slow ball, you are getting it behind the gain line, or going to be caught behind, and just has a knock on effect to the rest of the play, next pass may be rushed, or opposition loosies put more pressure, slowing it further allowing the defence to re-organise.
I think a fair few of our players are probably a bit light on confidence in thier game as well, which affects performance and decision making, execution of basics....this is where Fozzie needs to step up, maybe we need to simplfy things more, get some confidence and belief back in our boys...some of the old heads like Whitelock, Moody, Ardie, Smith etc know what they are capable of and working under pressure, but some of the players that have only been there the past 2 or 3 years have only known us struggling (relatively speaking)
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@chris if you are getting slow ball, you are getting it behind the gain line, or going to be caught behind, and just has a knock on effect to the rest of the play, next pass may be rushed, or opposition loosies put more pressure, slowing it further allowing the defence to re-organise.
I think a fair few of our players are probably a bit light on confidence in thier game as well, which affects performance and decision making, execution of basics....this is where Fozzie needs to step up, maybe we need to simplfy things more, get some confidence and belief back in our boys...some of the old heads like Whitelock, Moody, Ardie, Smith etc know what they are capable of and working under pressure, but some of the players that have only been there the past 2 or 3 years have only known us struggling (relatively speaking)
@taniwharugby said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris if you are getting slow ball, you are getting it behind the gain line, or going to be caught behind, and just has a knock on effect to the rest of the play, next pass may be rushed, or opposition loosies put more pressure, slowing it further allowing the defence to re-organise.
I think a fair few of our players are probably a bit light on confidence in thier game as well, which affects performance and decision making, execution of basics....this is where Fozzie needs to step up, maybe we need to simplfy things more, get some confidence and belief back in our boys...some of the old heads like Whitelock, Moody, Ardie, Smith etc know what they are capable of and working under pressure, but some of the players that have only been there the past 2 or 3 years have only known us struggling (relatively speaking)
Very good points it seems the confidence is low,The belief I wonder if that is lack of buy in on the game plan and maybe the Coaching ?.
It just seems we are lost at times especially under pressure.
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Test defence by the likes of Boks, Ireland & France is a different animal to Super Rugby defence.
The Bledisloes were more similar style to Super which Havili looked fine in.
@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
Test defence by the likes of Boks, Ireland & France is a different animal to Super Rugby defence.
The Bledisloes were more similar style to Super which Havili looked fine in.
No bro, it's the systems.
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@kiwi_expat Really? 3 All Black midfielders in the squad and somehow they have the least talented midfield in the comp? You didn't include Leicester Fainga'nuku either who probably should have been capped by now at the very least (he's certainly good enough).
Come on, I know you're trying to prop up your pro Razor agenda (and you make some decent points along the way), but come on, this is a poor argument.
@african-monkey - Substitute those players for inferior ones and the likelihood Crusaders continue on a similar trajectory without them is still extremely high because of the resourceful & innovative systems and structures Razor has continually developed to keep themselves one step ahead of the curb.
Case in point, I remember one particularly match during that 2019 season where Razor had to rest his All Blacks, he selected a 2nd-string team with a forward pack of satisfactory toilers and a couple of journeymen & they still thrashed a full strength Hurricanes outfit 32-8 in Wellington.
