All Blacks 2021
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
Instead of trying to isolate ball carriers on our side and work off turnovers we need to be forcing errors and doing the same.
I don't see any of our Super teams really doing that well except maybe the Blues. We are meeting the opposition on the gain line at best (or using umbrella defenses to try and force the runners back toward the forwards.Pretty much this 100%. We have to question if NZ Super Rugby teams are preparing players for international completion
To be fair to them, that's not their role. If NZR want to use it as a defacto Test competition, then they should ensure the seasonal be rules are conducive rather than the entertainment they've backed.
Agreed. Need for joined-up thinking across the piece is pretty clear to me. Interesting comment you make on "entertainment" - makes me wonder how much the $$ is influencing things more than before
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged.
If you're appointing a new coach, wouldn't you want to ensure you had the ducks reasonably in a row, assistant-wise, first?
I always thought applicants had their perspective coaching teams in place, as part of the selection process
@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
Instead of trying to isolate ball carriers on our side and work off turnovers we need to be forcing errors and doing the same.
I don't see any of our Super teams really doing that well except maybe the Blues. We are meeting the opposition on the gain line at best (or using umbrella defenses to try and force the runners back toward the forwards.Pretty much this 100%. We have to question if NZ Super Rugby teams are preparing players for international completion
To be fair to them, that's not their role. If NZR want to use it as a defacto Test competition, then they should ensure the seasonal be rules are conducive rather than the entertainment they've backed.
Agreed. Need for joined-up thinking across the piece is pretty clear to me. Interesting comment you make on "entertainment" - makes me wonder how much the $$ is influencing things more than before
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged.
If you're appointing a new coach, wouldn't you want to ensure you had the ducks reasonably in a row, assistant-wise, first?
I always thought applicants had their perspective coaching teams in place, as part of the selection process
That is how it seems to me as well:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/118318823/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-confirms-john-plumtree-greg-feek-as-assistantsThat will complete, says Foster, the ideal coaching group to take **his** vision for the All Blacks over the next global cycle and put it into practice on the rugby field.[my emphasis].
I haven't found any article suggesting Foster took assistant coach selection advice from NZ rugby.
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year. -
Someone find that Rugbypass article about playing off nine and attacking the fringe - they used Grehgan and Larkham at the Brumbies for a lot of their examples.
@tim said in All Blacks 2021:
Someone find that Rugbypass article about playing off nine and attacking the fringe - they used Grehgan and Larkham at the Brumbies for a lot of their examples.
Sounds like the same as the post above same Brumbies systems during that Gregan and Larkham era.Under David Nucifora's coaching.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@crucial said in All Blacks 2021:
Instead of trying to isolate ball carriers on our side and work off turnovers we need to be forcing errors and doing the same.
I don't see any of our Super teams really doing that well except maybe the Blues. We are meeting the opposition on the gain line at best (or using umbrella defenses to try and force the runners back toward the forwards.Pretty much this 100%. We have to question if NZ Super Rugby teams are preparing players for international completion
To be fair to them, that's not their role. If NZR want to use it as a defacto Test competition, then they should ensure the seasonal be rules are conducive rather than the entertainment they've backed.
Agreed. Need for joined-up thinking across the piece is pretty clear to me. Interesting comment you make on "entertainment" - makes me wonder how much the $$ is influencing things more than before
It's entirely possible that he's saddled with donkeys because everyone else was already engaged.
If you're appointing a new coach, wouldn't you want to ensure you had the ducks reasonably in a row, assistant-wise, first?
I always thought applicants had their perspective coaching teams in place, as part of the selection process
That is how it seems to me as well:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/118318823/all-blacks-coach-ian-foster-confirms-john-plumtree-greg-feek-as-assistantsThat will complete, says Foster, the ideal coaching group to take **his** vision for the All Blacks over the next global cycle and put it into practice on the rugby field.[my emphasis].
I haven't found any article suggesting Foster took assistant coach selection advice from NZ rugby.
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year.@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year.
To be fair, didn't we lose 4 games in '09 with 2 in a row and nearly 4 on the trot?
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year.
To be fair, didn't we lose 4 games in '09 with 2 in a row and nearly 4 on the trot?
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
Didn't they rotate coaches responsibilities on the end of year tour that year? To mix things up?
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year.
To be fair, didn't we lose 4 games in '09 with 2 in a row and nearly 4 on the trot?
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year.
To be fair, didn't we lose 4 games in '09 with 2 in a row and nearly 4 on the trot?
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
To Argentina and Ireland?
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
Didn't they rotate coaches responsibilities on the end of year tour that year? To mix things up?
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
Didn't they rotate coaches responsibilities on the end of year tour that year? To mix things up?
I don't know, but it would seem a good idea provided the coaching staff's expertise fitted.
I posted a link yesterday which suggested NZR looked at and vetted Ted's assistants when he was re-appointed in '07. Just hope the current review does the same thing.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
The "ideal coaching group" well, ideally we wouldn't have lost 3 games last year.
To be fair, didn't we lose 4 games in '09 with 2 in a row and nearly 4 on the trot?
The bloke in charge then probably thought his coaching team was spot-on as well.
To Argentina and Ireland?
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
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@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.
You need to reword your statements to something we understand.
"It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
That doesn't equal what you have just post.
Because have posted it in more detail earlier in this thread, which is basically the following :
Forwards need to take the ball up with much more urgency, then consistently get more numbers there to protect our ball carrier by continually cleaning opposition players out so we can keep securing possession through the phases, also allows us to get quicker recycled ball so 9 & 10 have a bit more time & space to create good attacking opportunities.
Our paymakers in the backs are lacking some composure... they need to be reading situations better & executing more accurately.
and you will well note that this has been more than covered in the ferns existence since Foster has been in charge. The fern has critiqued his every move. We're not new here, mate.
Apologist!!!
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2021:
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@hooroo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Of course all the the members are not happy with the current coaching set up fellas, that's a given, otherwise they may as well be on a knitting forum :grinning_face: ...I'm saying would like to see more analysing in depth about it.
You need to reword your statements to something we understand.
"It amazes me though how some here hardly ever question this current coaching staff - anyone that knows their rugby properly can see where we are going wrong & can also see what adjustments need to be made to fix it."
That doesn't equal what you have just post.
Because have posted it in more detail earlier in this thread, which is basically the following :
Forwards need to take the ball up with much more urgency, then consistently get more numbers there to protect our ball carrier by continually cleaning opposition players out so we can keep securing possession through the phases, also allows us to get quicker recycled ball so 9 & 10 have a bit more time & space to create good attacking opportunities.
Our paymakers in the backs are lacking some composure... they need to be reading situations better & executing more accurately.
and you will well note that this has been more than covered in the ferns existence since Foster has been in charge. The fern has critiqued his every move. We're not new here, mate.
Apologist!!!
Pretty sure he's Foster's uncle dad. Disgusting favouritism.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
I don't know why people who have watched rugby for 10 minutes assume Irish have always been easybeats , they drew with us in 1973, well before they actually did beat us. If my memory serves me well we were fairly close in the 1978 tour as well, same as we have drawn with Argentina , funny thing in those days rugby people probably didn't really think it was a national tragedy, would assume generally that is what happen in sport, and why it was called sport, because you never guaranteed of winning a game.
Still that was before we had the internet and all the experts that could tell us how they would do it all better. -
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
I don't know why people who have watched rugby for 10 minutes assume Irish have always been easybeats , they drew with us in 1973, well before they actually did beat us. If my memory serves me well we were fairly close in the 1978 tour as well, same as we have drawn with Argentina , funny thing in those days rugby people probably didn't really think it was a national tragedy, would assume generally that is what happen in sport, and why it was called sport, because you never guaranteed of winning a game.
Still that was before we had the internet and all the experts that could tell us how they would do it all better.@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
I don't know why people who have watched rugby for 10 minutes assume Irish have always been easybeats , they drew with us in 1973, well before they actually did beat us. If my memory serves me well we were fairly close in the 1978 tour as well.
Many Oirish matches have been really close over the years, even against some of the best AB teams of all time - often by 1 or 2 points. And lets not forget Munster.
Teams like Scotland and Wales are no longer push-overs either for any SH side.
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@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:
I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.
Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.
Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.
Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.
Don't favour box kicks well within our own territory, reckons there's a less than 50/50 chance of getting the ball back even when it's accurately executed & if they win it in the air they can also attack from broken play... I'd rather kick the ball out on halfway or inside their territory depending where the ball is kicked from, yeah, they will get the throw in, but when you have a lineout it gives you more time to set your defence properly.
Reckon when you're attacking close to the oppositions line through the forwards I wouldn't go directly up the middle too much, keep shifting your pod attacks a few metres wider each time to try & stretch them more, if you can keep possession going through a lot of phases eventually the defence will tire & you're get over the line, also your halfback can read what's going on so he's another option to score the try or see if another back is in a better position to have a crack etc.
Nobody likes the box kick, unless you're Faf or Irish.
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2021:
@nzbloke said in All Blacks 2021:
Is that a new tactic by the AB coaches against a rushing defence ? ...sounds about right :grinning_squinting_face:
I am still wondering about your proposed tactics to beat the rush defence please.
Have said before use deep wiper kicks behind them into the corners or towards the sideline, they're all up flat so they have to scramble back, there's always plenty of space behind a flat defence, Frans Steyn did it brilliantly for the Boks against us.
Thanks. That certainly addresses when we get the ball in the middle of the field (I expect between our 22 and attacking 10m or so) but does potentially give them the ball.
Also, would like your opinion on how to beat it when we want to try and attack with ball in hand closer to the try line.
Don't favour box kicks well within our own territory, reckons there's a less than 50/50 chance of getting the ball back even when it's accurately executed & if they win it in the air they can also attack from broken play... I'd rather kick the ball out on halfway or inside their territory depending where the ball is kicked from, yeah, they will get the throw in, but when you have a lineout it gives you more time to set your defence properly.
Reckon when you're attacking close to the oppositions line through the forwards I wouldn't go directly up the middle too much, keep shifting your pod attacks a few metres wider each time to try & stretch them more, if you can keep possession going through a lot of phases eventually the defence will tire & you're get over the line, also your halfback can read what's going on so he's another option to score the try or see if another back is in a better position to have a crack etc.
Nobody likes the box kick, unless you're Faf or Irish.
as a front rower....i kind of like being able to trot forward from a ruck and line up a winger looking up at the ball...might just be me though
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@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
I don't know why people who have watched rugby for 10 minutes assume Irish have always been easybeats , they drew with us in 1973, well before they actually did beat us. If my memory serves me well we were fairly close in the 1978 tour as well.
Many Oirish matches have been really close over the years, even against some of the best AB teams of all time - often by 1 or 2 points. And lets not forget Munster.
Teams like Scotland and Wales are no longer push-overs either for any SH side.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
I don't know why people who have watched rugby for 10 minutes assume Irish have always been easybeats , they drew with us in 1973, well before they actually did beat us. If my memory serves me well we were fairly close in the 1978 tour as well.
Many Oirish matches have been really close over the years, even against some of the best AB teams of all time - often by 1 or 2 points. And lets not forget Munster.
Teams like Scotland and Wales are no longer push-overs either for any SH side.
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@dan54 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
I don't know why people who have watched rugby for 10 minutes assume Irish have always been easybeats , they drew with us in 1973, well before they actually did beat us. If my memory serves me well we were fairly close in the 1978 tour as well.
Many Oirish matches have been really close over the years, even against some of the best AB teams of all time - often by 1 or 2 points. And lets not forget Munster.
Teams like Scotland and Wales are no longer push-overs either for any SH side.
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
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@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
Scots are on the way up, there’s no two ways about it. Changing Rugby for the better wherever they go.
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
Scots are on the way up, there’s no two ways about it. Changing Rugby for the better wherever they go.
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
Scots are on the way up, there’s no two ways about it. Changing Rugby for the better wherever they go.
Yep. Play an attractive style and a team I shout for in the 6Ns.
While there's much wrong with the ABs and I hate to see them lose, it's good to see teams like Scotland getting better and better.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
Scots are on the way up, there’s no two ways about it. Changing Rugby for the better wherever they go.
Yep. Play an attractive style and a team I shout for in the 6Ns.
While there's much wrong with the ABs and I hate to see them lose, it's good to see teams like Scotland getting better and better.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
Scots are on the way up, there’s no two ways about it. Changing Rugby for the better wherever they go.
Yep. Play an attractive style and a team I shout for in the 6Ns.
While there's much wrong with the ABs and I hate to see them lose, it's good to see teams like Scotland getting better and better.
It warms the heart. Maiden victory over the ABs coming right up. Take that fat boy fozzie !
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@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 said in All Blacks 2021:
Three wins in a row against Australia, doesn’t count for much when it’s only the wallabies though I guess
If Beaudy hadn't done a Captain Fantastic bit of cover defence on Hogg in the last minute in '18(?), they'd have beaten us. IIRC, apart from Reiko & DMac, we were a bit shit on that tour
Scots are on the way up, there’s no two ways about it. Changing Rugby for the better wherever they go.
Yep. Play an attractive style and a team I shout for in the 6Ns.
While there's much wrong with the ABs and I hate to see them lose, it's good to see teams like Scotland getting better and better.
It warms the heart. Maiden victory over the ABs coming right up. Take that fat boy fozzie !
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@mn5 are they now scrambling to play the ABs for a change instead of dodging them?
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 are they now scrambling to play the ABs for a change instead of dodging them?
Travelling to NZ is expensive….spending money is not a Scottish tradition.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2021:
@mn5 are they now scrambling to play the ABs for a change instead of dodging them?
Travelling to NZ is expensive….spending money is not a Scottish tradition.
@mn5 SRU when ABs are looking at a fixture at Murrayfield....
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
@victor-meldrew said in All Blacks 2021:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2021:
To Argentina and Ireland?
We didn't play Argentina & Ireland in '09.
I just think it's a bit arrogant to suggest those teams haven't worked hard and improved hugely in the last decade or so, Ireland coming close to beating us in 2012 & 2013. Heck, Argentine gave a real fright in '08 in Buenos Ares - even before they joined the RC.
We did play them last year. (losing to Argentina in 2020 by 10 points, losing to France by 15 points in 2021).
https://www.allblacks.com/fixtures/all-blacks/And it is not that we lost to them but the convincing way in which we lost to them (Ireland, Argentina, France) and after we had plenty of time to improve and change strategies. They didn't suddenly change direction and unleash surprising new tactics against us. They just put sustained pressure on the same weak points diagnosed on here for some time.
