Black Caps vs Proteas 2022

Rapido

@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@chris said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Good to see Cam Fletcher get a crack I did mention him a while back when we were discussing other WK options.

Dane Cleaver can be considered unlucky if you compare their FC stats.

It's hard to pick from those 2. Cleaver has just had their first child and missed some recent games, so that may be a factor. I assume they are forming a 3 week bubble down in Chch. So I wouldn't be surprised if he was probably out of contention anyway.

I'll leave judgements of glovework to those more in the know.

All things being equal, personally, I'd have had Cleaver to be pushing Blundell in red ball.
I'd be giving Fletcher opportunity to be first pick in white ball (well, T20 definitely) to replace Seiffert. Latham in ODIs is a different story.

Fletcher bats more like a keeper. Cleaver more like a batsman.
I like that Fletcher has specialised as a finisher in white ball. That is where the gap is at NZ level.

I like that Cleaver has moved to batting top 4 for CD in PS. Taking on a harder role against newer red ball and fresher bowlers. He would be a better like-for-like fit for that batsman//keeper in the top 6 like Watling/Blundell. However, in theory Ravindra/Mitchell should be more reliable bats than the Watling era number 7s Santner/CdG so maybe this isn't a problem.

Only 14 months between them in age. But as this team is ageing in one big looming talent cliff. Maybe Fletcher's slight extra youth is worth it.

Donsteppa

@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@rapido said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@rapido said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

CdG in as 3rd seamer

i hate you for triggering me like this

It's not a big deal when we have Wagner who has basically invented a new position, the specialist 4th seamer.

it offends my traditional sensibilities to have our 3rd seamer a dibbly dobbly medium pacer. It also gives me Gavin Larsen flashbacks.

And SCG opening bowling flashbacks.

Gunner

Time to move on from Henry as our back up seamer, he’s done sweet F A with the chances he’s had.

Either CDG or Tickner as third seamer.

Chris B.

@gunner Can't say I've been overly impressed with Tickner in the few times I've seen him.

Is Ferguson still injured?

I don't think he's had another chance since he broke down in Perth?

Gunner

@chris-b Tickner seems to have a bit of fire in his belly, which I like. From memory he got a bit of tap in the T20s he’s played for the BCs, who knows, he might ne more suited to the longer game? ‍️

What happened to the fast bowler from Otago, who ripped up on his T20 debut. Is he a test prospect?

Chris B.

@gunner That's what I remember of Tickner. He looked pretty hittable.

A glance at his FC stats doesn't suggest he's going to take the world by storm.

LABCAT

@gunner said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@chris-b Tickner seems to have a bit of fire in his belly, which I like. From memory he got a bit of tap in the T20s he’s played for the BCs, who knows, he might ne more suited to the longer game? ‍️

What happened to the fast bowler from Otago, who ripped up on his T20 debut. Is he a test prospect?

Jacob Duffy? I think he has played FC for NZA but his FC stats don't look too flash:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/jacob-duffy-547766

booboo

@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Not quite the squad I was expecting, but an interesting one. Perhaps:

Young

Latham (c)

Conway

Nicholls

Mitchell

Blundell

Ravindra

de Grandhomme

Jamieson

Southee

Wagner

... with 5, 6, 7, & 8 probably in any random order, depending on the state of the game?

On paper that is a short tail, and has six bowling options, but is also a 5 - 8 that could vanish quickly with the bat, depending on their collective day.

So where is Boult (don't expect me to read stuff), and who the fuck is Fletcher?

Gunner

@booboo said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

So where is Boult (don't expect me to read stuff), and who the fuck is Fletcher?

Boult's missus is expecting their third child.
Fletcher is the Canterbury keeper.

booboo

@gunner said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@booboo said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

So where is Boult (don't expect me to read stuff), and who the fuck is Fletcher?

Boult's missus is expecting their third child.
Fletcher is the Canterbury keeper.

Thank Gunner.

Makes a degree of sense.

mariner4life

3rd? The fuck do you need to be there for that?

Fucking poor form Trent

Donsteppa

@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Interesting to see Kens son come back from the wilderness !

It's at least theoretically possible that in a couple of years time in a T20 or ODI v an Associate Member Nation there could be a Black Caps side including sons of Latham, Rutherford, B Bracewell, Cumming, Kuggeleijn, and Pringle.

For a further local cricket tangent, an interesting name appears twice here in the Baywide Cup (T20):

SunLive: Pringle can’t stop scoring runs as Cadets win cup

...
Baywide Cup Individual Leader Board

Batting

Tim Pringle - Element IMF Otumoetai Cadets - 230 runs, 57.50 average, 149.35 strike rate, 65 highest score

Blair McKenzie - The Flying Mullet Te Puke - 221 runs, 44.20 average, 120.11 strike rate, 65 highest score

Brett Hampton - Eves Realty Greerton - 180 runs, 60 average, 181.82 strike rate, 86 highest score

Bowling

Tim Pringle - Element IMF Otumoetai Cadets - 14 wickets, 8.57 strike rate, 2.55 economy, 4/6 best bowling

Dale Swan - Bond & Co Mount Maunganui - 9 wickets, 5.78 average, 8.00 strike rate, 4.33 economy, 3/14 best bowling

Andrew Gibbs - Bayleys Central Indians - 9 wickets, 10.00 strike rate, 5.47 economy, 3/17 best bowling

Duluth

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/four-rare-occasions-when-new-zealand-won-a-test-against-south-africa-1301226

Bovidae

Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.

canefan

@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.

What's up with Boult? That will be a choice to make. Apart from saving the first test in India I'd suggest Ravindra hasn't exactly ripped up trees. Considering his record in NZ conditions, despite his poor performance of late, I'd probably pick Colin

Crucial

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.

What's up with Boult?

Bloody babies.
Don't these guys have a calendar?

canefan

@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.

What's up with Boult?

Bloody babies.
Don't these guys have a calendar?

How much time does he need? Get out there man!

Crucial

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.

What's up with Boult?

Bloody babies.
Don't these guys have a calendar?

How much time does he need? Get out there man!

Bloody new age bullshit.
Need to return to the days when the father gets a phone call at work and goes straight to the pub to celebrate.

canefan

@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.

What's up with Boult?

Bloody babies.
Don't these guys have a calendar?

How much time does he need? Get out there man!

Bloody new age bullshit.
Need to return to the days when the father gets a phone call at work and goes straight to the pub to celebrate.

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get stuffed

@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.

What's up with Boult?

Bloody babies.
Don't these guys have a calendar?

How much time does he need? Get out there man!

Bloody new age bullshit.
Need to return to the days when the father gets a phone call at work and goes straight to the pub to celebrate.

Yeah, it's ridiculous... Boult comes across as really bloody soft, we all remember him staying back in NZ saying he missed his family, then going over to England later on to join up with the squad, ffs ! all the other players would've missed their families too, but they were there for the whole tour.

The Silver Fern

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