Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.
What's up with Boult?
Bloody babies.
Don't these guys have a calendar?How much time does he need? Get out there man!
Bloody new age bullshit.
Need to return to the days when the father gets a phone call at work and goes straight to the pub to celebrate.@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@crucial said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.
What's up with Boult?
Bloody babies.
Don't these guys have a calendar?How much time does he need? Get out there man!
Bloody new age bullshit.
Need to return to the days when the father gets a phone call at work and goes straight to the pub to celebrate.Yeah, it's ridiculous... Boult comes across as really bloody soft, we all remember him staying back in NZ saying he missed his family, then going over to England later on to join up with the squad, ffs ! all the other players would've missed their families too, but they were there for the whole tour.
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@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.
What's up with Boult? That will be a choice to make. Apart from saving the first test in India I'd suggest Ravindra hasn't exactly ripped up trees. Considering his record in NZ conditions, despite his poor performance of late, I'd probably pick Colin
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.
Apart from saving the first test in India I'd suggest Ravindra hasn't exactly ripped up trees. Considering his record in NZ conditions, despite his poor performance of late, I'd probably pick Colin
Yeah, Ravindra has done stuff all, Colin would have to start over him... also with Williamson missing we need as much experience as we can get in our batting against a team like South Africa.
Hope Matt Henry isn't picked in the 11, why does this bloke continued to get selected in test squads ? ...he doesn't swing it, doesn't use a slower ball or use the width of the crease, he totally relies on a seaming wicket, his bowling average is very poor, 46.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bovidae said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Stead confirmed last night that Nicholls will move up to 4 and Mitchell will bat at 5. If Henry replaces Boult then it is CdG vs Ravindra for the 7 spot.
Apart from saving the first test in India I'd suggest Ravindra hasn't exactly ripped up trees. Considering his record in NZ conditions, despite his poor performance of late, I'd probably pick Colin
Yeah, Ravindra has done stuff all, Colin would have to start over him... also with Williamson missing we need as much experience as we can get in our batting against a team like South Africa.
Hope Matt Henry isn't picked in the 11, why does this bloke continued to get selected in test squads ? ...he doesn't swing it, doesn't use a slower ball or use the width of the crease, he totally relies on a seaming wicket, his bowling average is very poor, 46.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
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@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
Looks like a weak batting lineup with Mitchell at 5 and I totally don't understand why Ravindra bats at seven when he plays, at least let him bat before Blundell.
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Ravindra should take the 7 spot need a point of difference 4 quicks and Tuffey with little meds, We don't need another little seamer.
SA like the pace less happy against spin,We need that option.
Hagley may take some turn on the last day and a half.
Ravindra does turn the ball and has a top spinner so there is variation. -
Donsteppa's team:
- Young
- Latham
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Mitchell
- Ravindra
- Blundell
- de Grandhomme
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
While they'd probably swap 6 & 7 in practice, my half-pie theory with a couple of flaws in it is that Ravindra needs to prove himself with the bat, while Blundell averages 11.42 after seven innings batting at #6. (https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/tom-blundell-440516/bowling-batting-stats)
I'm thinking that de Grandhomme and Wagner bowling in tandem could be a good combination for alternating between drying up runs/pressure from the short ball.
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Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
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Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
I can’t see a better LH slow orthodox option around.
At least he takes the ball away from RH bat,
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Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
Absolutely but in the recent past we could get away with it with so much class elsewhere. With KW, Taylor and Boult not there I’m not so sure.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
Looks like a weak batting lineup with Mitchell at 5 and I totally don't understand why Ravindra bats at seven when he plays, at least let him bat before Blundell.
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
Absolutely but in the recent past we could get away with it with so much class elsewhere. With KW, Taylor and Boult not there I’m not so sure.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
Absolutely but in the recent past we could get away with it with so much class elsewhere. With KW, Taylor and Boult not there I’m not so sure.
With Taylor retiring he doesn't really come into the equation... no doubt we will miss Williamson & Boult, but in a team sport can't just rely on a couple of players, it's up to the replacements to step up & do the job, reckon we still have a very good team anyway.
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@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
Our bowlers get seam early,using the pitch Boult and Southee use swing more (swinging the ball in the air)
Not many pitches in Nz with Bounce,Hagley is the quickest and bouncers pitch now.
You are right about England having played their a bit it seams all day so you defiantly have to adjust how you play there.
Coming back to play in NZ and Australia can be challenging for a few games to re adjust.
To the bounce and pace.
