Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
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@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
Looks like a weak batting lineup with Mitchell at 5 and I totally don't understand why Ravindra bats at seven when he plays, at least let him bat before Blundell.
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Ravindra should take the 7 spot need a point of difference 4 quicks and Tuffey with little meds, We don't need another little seamer.
SA like the pace less happy against spin,We need that option.
Hagley may take some turn on the last day and a half.
Ravindra does turn the ball and has a top spinner so there is variation. -
Donsteppa's team:
- Young
- Latham
- Conway
- Nicholls
- Mitchell
- Ravindra
- Blundell
- de Grandhomme
- Jamieson
- Southee
- Wagner
While they'd probably swap 6 & 7 in practice, my half-pie theory with a couple of flaws in it is that Ravindra needs to prove himself with the bat, while Blundell averages 11.42 after seven innings batting at #6. (https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/tom-blundell-440516/bowling-batting-stats)
I'm thinking that de Grandhomme and Wagner bowling in tandem could be a good combination for alternating between drying up runs/pressure from the short ball.
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Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
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Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
I can’t see a better LH slow orthodox option around.
At least he takes the ball away from RH bat,
More dangerous than a unorthodox option. -
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
Absolutely but in the recent past we could get away with it with so much class elsewhere. With KW, Taylor and Boult not there I’m not so sure.
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@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
Looks like a weak batting lineup with Mitchell at 5 and I totally don't understand why Ravindra bats at seven when he plays, at least let him bat before Blundell.
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
Absolutely but in the recent past we could get away with it with so much class elsewhere. With KW, Taylor and Boult not there I’m not so sure.
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Ravindra's massive test batting average of less than 15, one strong innings of defence in India, followed up with batting and bowling bollocks in the Mount.
He is a player of the future for sure and should be around the squad, but is the cupboard that bare that he is the only option for right now? I'm thinking from the comments that the answer is yes?
When it comes to the bits and pieces all rounder then yes.
Who else is there, Santner ?
Actually Satnav does have recent form although failed at this level many times, but it basically does answer the question that we are struggling to fill this position
Absolutely but in the recent past we could get away with it with so much class elsewhere. With KW, Taylor and Boult not there I’m not so sure.
With Taylor retiring he doesn't really come into the equation... no doubt we will miss Williamson & Boult, but in a team sport can't just rely on a couple of players, it's up to the replacements to step up & do the job, reckon we still have a very good team anyway.
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@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
Our bowlers get seam early,using the pitch Boult and Southee use swing more (swinging the ball in the air)
Not many pitches in Nz with Bounce,Hagley is the quickest and bouncers pitch now.
You are right about England having played their a bit it seams all day so you defiantly have to adjust how you play there.
Coming back to play in NZ and Australia can be challenging for a few games to re adjust.
To the bounce and pace. -
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
Our bowlers get seam early,using the pitch Boult and Southee use swing more (swinging the ball in the air)
Not many pitches in Nz with Bounce,Hagley is the quickest and bouncers pitch now.
You are right about England having played their a bit it seams all day so you defiantly have to adjust how you play there.
Coming back to play in NZ and Australia can be challenging for a few games to re adjust.
To the bounce and pace.@chris said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@labcat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@canefan said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@nzbloke he did well somewhere recently for us? But I agree, I'm not a fan
Reckon he'll be a good player in the future, but isn't up to it at this stage.
I was talking about Henry. Yes to Ravindra, deserves nurturing. That innings in India took some guts
Yeah, Henry bowled well in England last year, was man of the match in the game he played.
The wickets in England tend to seam all the way though a test, which is why Matt Henry did so well there - even though the groundmen water the pitches here making them look like real green tops we never tend to get that much movement off the pitch in the first session, after that it becomes a bit of a road to bat on... most of the wickets our pace bowlers get in NZ are through bounce & swing.
Our bowlers get seam early,using the pitch Boult and Southee use swing more (swinging the ball in the air)
Not many pitches in Nz with Bounce,Hagley is the quickest and bouncers pitch now.
You are right about England having played their a bit it seams all day so you defiantly have to adjust how you play there.
Coming back to play in NZ and Australia can be challenging for a few games to re adjust.
To the bounce and pace.You're going to get a bit of seam or movement off the deck on any wicket in the world in the first hour or so, the Basin has very good bounce as well, it's a shame the test there had to be moved.
With Boult in the team our pace attack has excellent balance... yeah, Southee & Boult are our main swing bowlers, but Jamieson & Wagner can swing it through the air as well.
With Jamieson's height he's always going to be difficult to face with the bounce he gets & have seen him swing the ball both ways as well.
Wagner would have to be the most accurate bounce bowler in the world, also because he's short the ball comes through at throat & helmet height, always amazes me how super fit the bloke is too. -
Without Kane, Boult, Ross and Watling this is a shadow of the team that won the WTC.
That said, we've still got a strong team on paper - particularly at home - but this is going to be a really tough series. Can't wait.
I agree with @Donsteppa on Ravindra, he has to bat as high as possible, expecting him to come in down the order and marshal the tailenders the way Watling did is a big ask. Much better to get him in earlier with an established batsmen at the other end so he can focus on his own game.
Boy do we need Latham and Conway to score big runs, the rest of the lineup looks untested at best. We can't really afford early wickets as someone like Mitchell isn't suited to rebuilding an innings, we want him coming in at 250/3 where he can up the ante.
Also very interested to see if Jamieson has addressed some of the issues he had in the previous series and finds his mojo again.
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Without Kane, Boult, Ross and Watling this is a shadow of the team that won the WTC.
That said, we've still got a strong team on paper - particularly at home - but this is going to be a really tough series. Can't wait.
I agree with @Donsteppa on Ravindra, he has to bat as high as possible, expecting him to come in down the order and marshal the tailenders the way Watling did is a big ask. Much better to get him in earlier with an established batsmen at the other end so he can focus on his own game.
Boy do we need Latham and Conway to score big runs, the rest of the lineup looks untested at best. We can't really afford early wickets as someone like Mitchell isn't suited to rebuilding an innings, we want him coming in at 250/3 where he can up the ante.
Also very interested to see if Jamieson has addressed some of the issues he had in the previous series and finds his mojo again.
@no-quarter said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Without Kane, Boult, Ross and Watling this is a shadow of the team that won the WTC.
That said, we've still got a strong team on paper - particularly at home - but this is going to be a really tough series. Can't wait.
I agree with @Donsteppa on Ravindra, he has to bat as high as possible, expecting him to come in down the order and marshal the tailenders the way Watling did is a big ask. Much better to get him in earlier with an established batsmen at the other end so he can focus on his own game.
Boy do we need Latham and Conway to score big runs, the rest of the lineup looks untested at best. We can't really afford early wickets as someone like Mitchell isn't suited to rebuilding an innings, we want him coming in at 250/3 where he can up the ante.
Also very interested to see if Jamieson has addressed some of the issues he had in the previous series and finds his mojo again.
Rough on Nicholls to not get mentioned alongside Latham and Conway, he’s been there done that.
I forgot about Watling in my initial assessment, you’re right, he’s a massive loss too.
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@MN5 yeah I did think about Nicholls. He's definitely got the mental toughness needed to succeed at this level, but I'm not 100% convinced his technique is good enough against the top sides as he does tend to ride his luck. Nothing like Labuschagne but fielders do seem to like giving him lives haha. We do need some runs out of him this series though.
