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Black Caps vs Proteas 2022

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  • RapidoR Offline
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    Henry's record before yesterday as an opening bowler had actually been fairly reasonable. It was his record when selected as 3rd or 4th seamer that stunk out his record.

    Opening: 8 matches, 24 wickets, average 35.75
    First & Second change: 7 matches, 13 wickets , average 65.69

    I say reasonable. It isn't as good as CdG's record when given the new ball for e.g.

    (After yesterday he now averages 28.41 as new ball bowler)

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    • RapidoR Offline
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      #206

      So, last year, when Henry replaced Wagner as 4th seamer at Hgley. I thought it was a ridiculous selection. Should have chosen Ajaz, even though Hagley ....
      (although, Henry actually bowled really well in that match as 4th seamer but was unlucky)

      This year, as a Boult replacement,as per earlier inn the thread ..... I was all good with it. So, spotters badge for me ...

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      • RapidoR Offline
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        #207

        We've been quite blessed with our 3rd and 4th seamers this last era. Well, veeeeeeery blessed with Wagner and Jamieson.

        But credit goes to de Grandhomme and even Doug Bracewell before him. It is not an easy job, should be considered a specialist position.

        Look at these specialist opening bowlers' records in that position (even if small sample sizes):
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        • ChrisC Chris

          Henry also was hitting around 140 ks quite a bit.
          Extra pace was good he hit the pitch nice and hard instead of kissing the pitch,It makes a big difference on the bounces pitches.
          Rabada still a big threat he is World class.Although Jansen is a threat with his bounce,Olivier will be the problem consistent line and length hitting that 6 to 8 m length and nipping it away,He is always a threat.
          We might have to graft out the first session.

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          @chris said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

          Henry also was hitting around 140 ks quite a bit.
          Extra pace was good he hit the pitch nice and hard instead of kissing the pitch,It makes a big difference on the bounces pitches.
          Rabada still a big threat he is World class.Although Jansen is a threat with his bounce,Olivier will be the problem consistent line and length hitting that 6 to 8 m length and nipping it away,He is always a threat.
          We might have to graft out the first session.

          Really rate Olivier, has a good fluent action too.

          Vital that we can build some really good partnerships.

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            @chris said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

            Henry also was hitting around 140 ks quite a bit.
            Extra pace was good he hit the pitch nice and hard instead of kissing the pitch,It makes a big difference on the bounces pitches.
            Rabada still a big threat he is World class.Although Jansen is a threat with his bounce,Olivier will be the problem consistent line and length hitting that 6 to 8 m length and nipping it away,He is always a threat.
            We might have to graft out the first session.

            Really rate Olivier, has a good fluent action too.

            Vital that we can build some really good partnerships.

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            Chris
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            @nzbloke said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

            @chris said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

            Henry also was hitting around 140 ks quite a bit.
            Extra pace was good he hit the pitch nice and hard instead of kissing the pitch,It makes a big difference on the bounces pitches.
            Rabada still a big threat he is World class.Although Jansen is a threat with his bounce,Olivier will be the problem consistent line and length hitting that 6 to 8 m length and nipping it away,He is always a threat.
            We might have to graft out the first session.

            Really rate Olivier, has a good fluent action too.

            Vital that we can build some really good partnerships.

            2 good partnerships and we are in a good position,
            We need a 200 plus lead then SA are fighting to stay in the game.
            A lot of time left in this test.We get rolled with a 50 or 60 run lead and we have wasted a brilliant first day.

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            • RapidoR Rapido

              We've been quite blessed with our 3rd and 4th seamers this last era. Well, veeeeeeery blessed with Wagner and Jamieson.

              But credit goes to de Grandhomme and even Doug Bracewell before him. It is not an easy job, should be considered a specialist position.

              Look at these specialist opening bowlers' records in that position (even if small sample sizes):
              622b7ba6-0e0f-4fef-ab1b-d97e448df7b1-image.png

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              MN5
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              #210

              @rapido said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

              We've been quite blessed with our 3rd and 4th seamers this last era. Well, veeeeeeery blessed with Wagner and Jamieson.

              But credit goes do de Grandhomme and even Doug Bracewell before him. It is not an easy job, should be considered a specialist position.

              Look at these specialist opening bowlers' records in that position (even if small sample sizes):
              622b7ba6-0e0f-4fef-ab1b-d97e448df7b1-image.png

              Hasn’t Wagner always been in that position. The stats nerd in me notes his average is slightly higher than his overall career figure ?

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                Wagner on fire. Three fours in a row !

                It must be fun being a night watchman provided you survive overnight. If he scores great, if he doesn’t no great loss.

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                  #212

                  Wags doing two things

                  Scoring a few bonus runs to push the game along
                  Settling the nerves of the 4 run scorers to come, who would have been a little edgy about things this morning, but have probably just settled down a little

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                    So we've solved the issue of who to bat #5 with Nicholls shifting up after Taylor's retirement...

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                      10 overs this morning, 59 runs

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                        #215

                        Fuck, misses a second test 50.

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                          #216

                          Great night watchman score there from Wags..I dont want to start thinking about 300 + yet, as that collapse always seems just around the corner when you least expect it, but a good partnership here would go a long way to making that happen

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                            Perfect, now Wags can start channelling that frustration into his bowling in the second innings.

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                              Perfect, now Wags can start channelling that frustration into his bowling in the second innings.

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                              @cyclops said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                              Perfect, now Wags can start channelling that frustration into his bowling in the second innings.

                              Exactly. If he starts believing he’s a decent batsman it will detract from his bowling

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                                Mitchell gone immediately after lunch. He has no business batting in the top 6 at test level.

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                                  Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                  Great record at home, not so flash away.

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                                    Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                    Great record at home, not so flash away.

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                                    @mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                    Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                    Great record at home, not so flash away.

                                    To his credit every time the average dips under 40 he plays a big one and gets it over again.

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                                      @mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                      Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                      Great record at home, not so flash away.

                                      To his credit every time the average dips under 40 he plays a big one and gets it over again.

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                                      @mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                      @mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                      Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                      Great record at home, not so flash away.

                                      To his credit every time the average dips under 40 he plays a big one and gets it over again.

                                      at least he has turned up against a decent bowling attack as well, Im sure I've given him sh*t many times, but delivering against SA is a good result. Now if he could do that in SA, then that would be even better!

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                                        @mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                        Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                        Great record at home, not so flash away.

                                        To his credit every time the average dips under 40 he plays a big one and gets it over again.

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                                        @mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                        @mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                        Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                        Great record at home, not so flash away.

                                        To his credit every time the average dips under 40 he plays a big one and gets it over again.

                                        by coming home? I know a beligerent left handed opener who does something very similar

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                                        • bayimportsB bayimports

                                          @mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                          @mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                          Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                          Great record at home, not so flash away.

                                          To his credit every time the average dips under 40 he plays a big one and gets it over again.

                                          at least he has turned up against a decent bowling attack as well, Im sure I've given him sh*t many times, but delivering against SA is a good result. Now if he could do that in SA, then that would be even better!

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                                          @bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                          @mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                          @mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:

                                          Nicholls is like a not as good Dave Warner

                                          Great record at home, not so flash away.

                                          To his credit every time the average dips under 40 he plays a big one and gets it over again.

                                          at least he has turned up against a decent bowling attack as well, Im sure I've given him sh*t many times, but delivering against SA is a good result. Now if he could do that in SA, then that would be even better!

                                          Steady on. Everyone knows he only performs at home.

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