Electric Vehicles
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
We were talking about towing caravans, yes?
So the EV component of your hybrid is going to get about 15-20km, yes?
WTF are you talking about? A hybrid that's designed to use the benefit of electric motors in high torque demands (starting, hills, etc.) and cruise / regen downhill and on straights.
Which is reduced greatly in highway or open road driving per the test videos above - in this scenario the battery is dead weight after about the first 20km in a PHEV. And you're using a very small engine for the rest of it, so carbon fuel efficiency dives as well. PHEV regen isn't crash hot compared to full EV because the intrinsic design is for petrol to do the majority of load.
Hybrid design could be much more efficient to take advantage of this without doubt, but you're trading off weight/space.
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@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@antipodean I think he assumed you meant a PHEV
I'm not swayed either way. I think @NTA and I may be agreeing but talking cross purposes. I agree wholeheartedly that if you're a suburban dweller an EV makes eminently more sense given the average commute is only 30-40km. My suggestion for towing things is to get something designed for the task.
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this should not be a surprise. Look at your fuel usage towing a caravan.
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@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
Which is reduced greatly in highway or open road driving per the test videos above
Sorry I missed adding the engine does that bit. That's what diesels are good for and as a result reduce the battery pack to 25-33% of a EV.
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
My suggestion for towing things is to get something designed for the task.
Agreed - until the EV tech improves (cars and charging infrastructure), if you're towing regularly it probably isn't for you without compromise.
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I wanted a F150 Lightning and got approval from the MFWAF although I suspect that was because she knew they'd be unlikely to be exported to Oz. SO I'm also on the Rivian wait list (but they're unlikely to be coming to Oz any time soon either), so I'm hoping the rumoured hybrid Ranger makes a timely appearance.
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The battery swapping option could be a way to get around long charge times. And using off peak tariffs would make it very cost effective.
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@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@dogmeat said in Electric Vehicles:
@antipodean I think he assumed you meant a PHEV
I'm not swayed either way. I think @NTA and I may be agreeing but talking cross purposes. I agree wholeheartedly that if you're a suburban dweller an EV makes eminently more sense given the average commute is only 30-40km. My suggestion for towing things is to get something designed for the task.
like a self-powered camping trailer?
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@nostrildamus heavy caravan tho.
It's like the old "flying hippo" conundrum: to have big enough wings, you need more muscle mass, which means bigger wings, and therefore more muscle mass, and therefore....
A bird can fly due to low bone density.
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Sooooo.
So. Many. Posts.
I have a SUV petrol Mazda CX9 that'll last for another 10yrs easy as a people carrier. When we camp, there's no caravan or crazy off road stuff.
We desperately need to replace our 2nd car, and would like to go electric. City driving only. Mazda will suffice for weekend trips. Needs to be big enough to ferry 3 kids around, but can probably stick with 5 seats. Don't want to wait 6 months.
WhadddoIget???
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@voodoo said in Electric Vehicles:
@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@voodoo age of kids? By "three kids" do you mean in the back or is one of them old/tall enough for front seat?
13, 11, 8 - all front seat riders when we let them!
Budget is everything.
Hyundai ioniq is my initial thought if you want lower end of spectrum. Kia ev6 stands out too but I personally really didn’t like it.
Nissan Leaf if you have zero interest in street cred and are very budget conscious.
Mustang e Mach looks good shout too.
Germans snd Tesla different price point so if give an idea of cost, happy to give thoughts.
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@voodoo said in Electric Vehicles:
@nta said in Electric Vehicles:
@voodoo age of kids? By "three kids" do you mean in the back or is one of them old/tall enough for front seat?
13, 11, 8 - all front seat riders when we let them!
You could get away with
MG ZS EV
Hyundai Kona or Ioniq
Nissan Leaf
Kia eniro
Mazda mx30 e35None of them are cheaper than a brand new petrol i30 or cerato, but they're decent 2nd cars and will have resale value.
https://www.carsguide.com.au/ev/advice/every-electric-car-available-in-australia-85008
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I have the opposite issue to Voodoo in that I have 3 kids and our current family wagon desperately needs replacing, ideally with a 7 seater.
We want to go electric but options are really thin on the ground and ultimately the car is not the place we want to sink all our cash (but thinking it is worth spending a bit this time as it will have to live through our monster at 7, 3 and 10 months for a long time)
Hybrid has more options and I do like the Volvo XC90 which we would have to get a 2 - 3 year old version.
Frustrating though as we change cars irregularly and were trying to hold out until electric was more ubiquitous with better options but the current wagon is really struggling.
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@gt12 the strangeness of the human mind. A time saving piece of amazingly engineered kit that relies on the reversing ability of drivers.
Process takes 3 minutes, after 10 minutes trying to line the car up properly(judging by th drivers at my local supermarket)
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@crucial said in Electric Vehicles:
@gt12 the strangeness of the human mind. A time saving piece of amazingly engineered kit that relies on the reversing ability of drivers.
Process takes 3 minutes, after 10 minutes trying to line the car up properly(judging by th drivers at my local supermarket)
Why not drive through?You think that would be better? You've obviously not seen the saddos trying to get their car through the carwash at our local BP. The other week someone drove their offside wheels up onto the guide rails at such a speed she tipped her car to 45 degrees, resting against the brush units and trapped herself inside.
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