Exodus
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@crazy-horse Ah, okay, I've only read the official media release. Didn't click on the link.
@stargazer like you say, his name is very Irish, so it's surprising if he is not qualified.
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@canes4life Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise. It's not mentioned in the media release, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Irish ancestry with that name. That could mean that - if they hope he'll develop into a test player - he doesn't have to wait 5 years.
@stargazer said in Exodus:
Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise.
Or, alternatively - they're making hay while the sun shines in their chosen profession where they have a pretty short shelf life?
If you're making pittance in NPC annnnd having to live in Palmy, why not head off to see a bit more of the world while probably earning at least twice as much?
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@stargazer said in Exodus:
Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise.
Or, alternatively - they're making hay while the sun shines in their chosen profession where they have a pretty short shelf life?
If you're making pittance in NPC annnnd having to live in Palmy, why not head off to see a bit more of the world while probably earning at least twice as much?
@bones Yeah, but you can play professionally without giving up on the NZ pathway. Other young players go to Japan (or USA) to earn some decent coin and then return to play NPC, competing again for a SR spot. This move seems to suggest that he favours the Irish pathway to - possibly - the green jersey. In Ireland the rugby is better than Japan, but I doubt the pay is as well.
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@bones Yeah, but you can play professionally without giving up on the NZ pathway. Other young players go to Japan (or USA) to earn some decent coin and then return to play NPC, competing again for a SR spot. This move seems to suggest that he favours the Irish pathway to - possibly - the green jersey. In Ireland the rugby is better than Japan, but I doubt the pay is as well.
@stargazer I wouldn't be so sure.
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He probably won't be on big money over there as he has only played a season or so of NPC and in reality is light years away from getting a fulltime super rugby contract.
He probably won't be on big money over there as he has only played a season or so of NPC and in reality is light years away from getting a fulltime super rugby contract.
Fair enough then eh, should probably get his head down playing club rugby for free and creaming it working at four square until his huge NPC salary kicks in for 3 months
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He probably won't be on big money over there as he has only played a season or so of NPC and in reality is light years away from getting a fulltime super rugby contract.
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@higgins He was involved in the preseason for the Hurricanes, and may even be part of their WTG. I'd say he is the next no.7 in line if injury or covid strikes.
@bovidae Involved pre-season and actually making it are two very different things although with Mr. Holland's selection vagaries you just never know. Incidentally this article seems to indicate the salary for a first year professional would be around the 40,000.00 euro mark
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@bovidae Involved pre-season and actually making it are two very different things although with Mr. Holland's selection vagaries you just never know. Incidentally this article seems to indicate the salary for a first year professional would be around the 40,000.00 euro mark
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He probably won't be on big money over there as he has only played a season or so of NPC and in reality is light years away from getting a fulltime super rugby contract.
@higgins I wouldn't say he's light years away from NPC, he was part of a very solid and young loose forward trio for the Turbos this year (with the other two picking up fulltime contracts with the Canes).
Hurley-Langton was actually a part of the Wellington club scene for years playing for OBU, before being loaned to Manawatu. He lost out on a Wellington contract to promising Petone openside Josh Southall (same age), who despite having what feels like a never-ending injury managed to pick up a contract with the Lions instead of SHL.
Maybe he knows Southall is finally on the mend so has decided to ship out...
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@higgins that seems a pretty sweet gig to me, what's that - 70k SPP? While getting the opportunity to live/travel around Europe and have most other living expenses paid for or propped up.
@higgins that seems a pretty sweet gig to me, what's that - 70k SPP? While getting the opportunity to live/travel around Europe and have most other living expenses paid for or propped up.
My cousin was a reasonably talented player our of MAGs who was around the development system. He left for France for two years and made plenty of bank (for his age), while having an absolute ball in Europe. He knew his chances of really breaking through were slim, so got some cash while he could.
If I were a young player who wasn't getting a Super contract, I'd try 24 months overseas then see where things stood.
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When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.
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@higgins that seems a pretty sweet gig to me, what's that - 70k SPP? While getting the opportunity to live/travel around Europe and have most other living expenses paid for or propped up.
My cousin was a reasonably talented player our of MAGs who was around the development system. He left for France for two years and made plenty of bank (for his age), while having an absolute ball in Europe. He knew his chances of really breaking through were slim, so got some cash while he could.
If I were a young player who wasn't getting a Super contract, I'd try 24 months overseas then see where things stood.
@gt12 yeah, when I came over, prem level club players from NZ could typically expect to bank about £300-£500 a week, while being "housed" or given cheap accom and set up with decent work - and that was in what was then London 1, about 5 or so levels below Premiership.
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When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.
When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.
It's a mad world where 10 years overseas' as a professional rugby player wouldn't allow you to come back and buy an average house in Auckland
debt freewith a 50% loan. I guess it would cut down the average of 11 years to save a deposit though. -
@canes4life Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise. It's not mentioned in the media release, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Irish ancestry with that name. That could mean that - if they hope he'll develop into a test player - he doesn't have to wait 5 years.
@stargazer said in Exodus:
@canes4life Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise. It's not mentioned in the media release, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Irish ancestry with that name. That could mean that - if they hope he'll develop into a test player - he doesn't have to wait 5 years.
Don’t think we’ll see him again. Even though not currently Irish qualified with a name like that he’ll be adopted by the Irish and if he’s any good go on to play for them.
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@stargazer said in Exodus:
@canes4life Players have no patience these days. Rather go overseas than work their way up the pecking order and compete for a spot at a SR franchise. It's not mentioned in the media release, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had Irish ancestry with that name. That could mean that - if they hope he'll develop into a test player - he doesn't have to wait 5 years.
Don’t think we’ll see him again. Even though not currently Irish qualified with a name like that he’ll be adopted by the Irish and if he’s any good go on to play for them.
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When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.
When people post stuff about young players not being willing to stick around to try for a Super Rugby contract, there should be an automated bot response that posts the cost of living index for NZ, and the ratio of median house price to median wage.
It's not helped by the structure of NZ rugby either
40% of pro contracts are in the South Island. 20% are in Dunedin. They do not produce that many pro players. So the system forces a movement of talent from north to south
More opportunities near the regions that produce the players would allow younger players to stay with family and be picked for a SR Dev side. That still isn't ideal, but asking them to move away from family and get paid fuckall pushes more players overseas
