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  • TimT Tim

    I think on props for 2022 these four will be certainties: Moody, Laulala, Tu'ungufasi, Lomax. Hard to see any one else at tight head. Are there any candidates? Ta'avao would have to have a great season in the scrum.

    On the loose head side, de Groot, Hodgman, Bower, Tu'inukuafe, Ross, and Norris are probably the contenders. I'd like to see Hodgman and Norris selected, and it would be good to cut Moody now. If Moody starts (can't see him as a bench option) at the world cup then we are in trouble.

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    @tim said in All Blacks 2022:

    I think on props for 2022 these four will be certainties: Moody, Laulala, Tu'ungufasi, Lomax. Hard to see any one else at tight head. Are there any candidates? Ta'avao would have to have a great season in the scrum.

    On the loose head side, de Groot, Hodgman, Bower, Tu'inukuafe, Ross, and Norris are probably the contenders. I'd like to see Hodgman and Norris selected, and it would be good to cut Moody now. If Moody starts (can't see him as a bench option) at the world cup then we are in trouble.

    Same could be said for Laulala for the same reason as Moody.
    Maybe we should blood Norris at LH and William as a TH.
    Stick with De Groot and Hodgeman I don't mind that as LH plus Norris.

    Select Williams as a TH and retain Tu'ungufasi, Lomax.

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    • TimT Tim

      I think on props for 2022 these four will be certainties: Moody, Laulala, Tu'ungufasi, Lomax. Hard to see any one else at tight head. Are there any candidates? Ta'avao would have to have a great season in the scrum.

      On the loose head side, de Groot, Hodgman, Bower, Tu'inukuafe, Ross, and Norris are probably the contenders. I'd like to see Hodgman and Norris selected, and it would be good to cut Moody now. If Moody starts (can't see him as a bench option) at the world cup then we are in trouble.

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      @tim I'm surprised at people naming Norris. I have seen nothing that suggests he's better than someone like Rakete-Stones.

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      • StargazerS Stargazer

        @tim I'm surprised at people naming Norris. I have seen nothing that suggests he's better than someone like Rakete-Stones.

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        @stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

        Rakete-Stones.

        Rakete-Stones he would be another good investment at LH

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          There have been unusually large AB squads over the last 2 years because of the covid circumstances. If a 35-man squad is selected again then 8 props become 6 and some tough selection decisions will have to be made in almost all of the other positions. Of course, you need to retain some experience but current performance/form and not reputation should count.

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          @bovidae That's a key question (squad size). I was just wondering how many they'd let Fozzie have for Ireland and I think 35 would be max.

          19 or 20 forwards
          16 or 15 backs

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          • TimT Tim

            I think on props for 2022 these four will be certainties: Moody, Laulala, Tu'ungufasi, Lomax. Hard to see any one else at tight head. Are there any candidates? Ta'avao would have to have a great season in the scrum.

            On the loose head side, de Groot, Hodgman, Bower, Tu'inukuafe, Ross, and Norris are probably the contenders. I'd like to see Hodgman and Norris selected, and it would be good to cut Moody now. If Moody starts (can't see him as a bench option) at the world cup then we are in trouble.

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            @tim The Blues coaches need to decide if Tu'ungufasi is a LH or TH prop. At the moment he is being used as a LH but has never looked comfortable for the ABs on that side of the scrum.

            I also agree with @Chris about Moody vs Laulala.

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              @tim The Blues coaches need to decide if Tu'ungufasi is a LH or TH prop. At the moment he is being used as a LH but has never looked comfortable for the ABs on that side of the scrum.

              I also agree with @Chris about Moody vs Laulala.

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              @bovidae Where Tu'ungufasi plays for the Blues has no bearing on his AB selection. He's been in the AB squad for six years.

              Don't see any new players coming through at tight head, so they won't drop Laulala, even if it would be better to replace him now. Seems we have more options at loose head. In the past, AB coaches have seemed to expect less around the field from tight heads than loose heads, which may be a poor policy too.

              Is Williams going to start games for the Crusaders?

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              • TimT Tim

                @bovidae Where Tu'ungufasi plays for the Blues has no bearing on his AB selection. He's been in the AB squad for six years.

                Don't see any new players coming through at tight head, so they won't drop Laulala, even if it would be better to replace him now. Seems we have more options at loose head. In the past, AB coaches have seemed to expect less around the field from tight heads than loose heads, which may be a poor policy too.

                Is Williams going to start games for the Crusaders?

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                @tim ive heard more than once the old joke, the first first position you chose is tighthead prop...and the second position is reserve tight head prop

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                • TimT Tim

                  @bovidae Where Tu'ungufasi plays for the Blues has no bearing on his AB selection. He's been in the AB squad for six years.

                  Don't see any new players coming through at tight head, so they won't drop Laulala, even if it would be better to replace him now. Seems we have more options at loose head. In the past, AB coaches have seemed to expect less around the field from tight heads than loose heads, which may be a poor policy too.

                  Is Williams going to start games for the Crusaders?

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                  @tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                  @bovidae Where Tu'ungufasi plays for the Blues has no bearing on his AB selection. He's been in the AB squad for six years.

                  Don't see any new players coming through at tight head, so they won't drop Laulala, even if it would be better to replace him now. Seems we have more options at loose head. In the past, AB coaches have seemed to expect less around the field from tight heads than loose heads, which may be a poor policy too.

                  Is Williams going to start games for the Crusaders?

                  Yep he has started but got covid so missed the last game against MP

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                  • ChrisC Chris

                    @tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @bovidae Where Tu'ungufasi plays for the Blues has no bearing on his AB selection. He's been in the AB squad for six years.

                    Don't see any new players coming through at tight head, so they won't drop Laulala, even if it would be better to replace him now. Seems we have more options at loose head. In the past, AB coaches have seemed to expect less around the field from tight heads than loose heads, which may be a poor policy too.

                    Is Williams going to start games for the Crusaders?

                    Yep he has started but got covid so missed the last game against MP

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                    @chris Started last year? Didn't see him at 1 or 3 in any Crusaders team sheets this year. Newell started a game at 3 though.

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                    • TimT Tim

                      @chris Started last year? Didn't see him at 1 or 3 in any Crusaders team sheets this year. Newell started a game at 3 though.

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                      @tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                      @chris Started last year? Didn't see him at 1 or 3 in any Crusaders team sheets this year. Newell started a game at 3 though.

                      Yep last year, he was due to start instead of Newell.He may start this wk at TH.

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                      • TimT Tim

                        @bovidae Where Tu'ungufasi plays for the Blues has no bearing on his AB selection. He's been in the AB squad for six years.

                        Don't see any new players coming through at tight head, so they won't drop Laulala, even if it would be better to replace him now. Seems we have more options at loose head. In the past, AB coaches have seemed to expect less around the field from tight heads than loose heads, which may be a poor policy too.

                        Is Williams going to start games for the Crusaders?

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                        @tim said in All Blacks 2022:

                        @bovidae Where Tu'ungufasi plays for the Blues has no bearing on his AB selection.

                        But it does have a bearing on the makeup of the 6 AB props if Ofa is considered a LH or TH for the ABs. Frankly, he isn't good enough to just swap between the two positions depending on the team he plays for.

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                          Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

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                          • CrucialC Crucial

                            Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

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                            @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                            Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                            TH

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                            • ChrisC Chris

                              @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                              Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                              TH

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                              @chris said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                              Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                              TH

                              Cheers. Just surprised he wasn't being mentioned

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                              • KiwiwombleK Kiwiwomble

                                lets not forget Ainsely is available now (i think) and playing well

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                                @kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

                                lets not forget Ainsley is available now (i think) and playing well

                                @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @chris said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                                TH

                                Cheers. Just surprised he wasn't being mentioned

                                me too.....

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                                  Think S. Mafileo comes into the discussion as well.

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                                  • O Old Samurai Jack

                                    @dan54 All Blacks have been poor, especially since 2020. Ireland are a better team. There is no negativity in that statement, it is what it is. Wouldn't an arrogant NZ supporter believe we will win in June? I just can't believe the articles in NZ surprised that Six Nations is faster and more physical than Super rugby etc, etc. NZ supporters do kind of live in a bubble if they think the ABs are still a world force. They potentially can be of course but.....some deep thinking and changes are needed.

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                                    @old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2022:

                                    @dan54 All Blacks have been poor, especially since 2020. Ireland are a better team. There is no negativity in that statement, it is what it is. Wouldn't an arrogant NZ supporter believe we will win in June? I just can't believe the articles in NZ surprised that Six Nations is faster and more physical than Super rugby etc, etc. NZ supporters do kind of live in a bubble if they think the ABs are still a world force. They potentially can be of course but.....some deep thinking and changes are needed.

                                    No you misunderstood what was said, to say ABs lost against France etc because they are poor is arrogant and not giving France Ireland credit, which is arrogant. Sometimes other teams are just better. ABs won RC etc last years, so I guess if a poor team won that you are saying the Wallabies, Pumas and Boks are pretty crap. That is what Crowley is talking about, so called fans that just rubbish own team because they are beaten by a better team is arrogance!
                                    And of course we can still want the ABs to win against Irish, I want them to beat Boks,etc etc too, but if another team beats them by playing as well as Irish etc have, I will accept it! Irish also beat everyone else apart from France, does that make everyone poor?

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                                    • CrucialC Crucial

                                      Think S. Mafileo comes into the discussion as well.

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                                      @crucial If you think our current tight heads are limited, then what the hell would you want Mafileo in the ABs for? He may be a Harbour legend, but he is there to scrum and nothing else.

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                                      • CrucialC Crucial

                                        @chris said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                                        TH

                                        Cheers. Just surprised he wasn't being mentioned

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                                        @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @chris said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                        Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                                        TH

                                        Cheers. Just surprised he wasn't being mentioned

                                        he is around Moodey's age maybe its that.

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                                        • ChrisC Chris

                                          @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @chris said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                                          TH

                                          Cheers. Just surprised he wasn't being mentioned

                                          he is around Moodey's age maybe its that.

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                                          @chris said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @chris said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          @crucial said in All Blacks 2022:

                                          Can someone please remind me what side Ainsley plays on.

                                          TH

                                          Cheers. Just surprised he wasn't being mentioned

                                          he is around Moodey's age maybe its that.

                                          moody is 33 and ainsley is 26.....

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