All Blacks 2022
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@crazy-horse really? He's been extremely impressive every outing if you ask me - with the bonus being he often plays flat and/or on the move, not deep and static.
Agree, I enjoy watching him play. I just think it would be good to see him start at 10 against the better teams. I stand to be corrected but my memory tells me he has mostly been at 15, with a change to 10 later in the game (MP aside).
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@crazy-horse He definitely needs to demonstrate game management against better good teams. That said, he seems to have improved at 10 this year.
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@bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@crazy-horse really? He's been extremely impressive every outing if you ask me - with the bonus being he often plays flat and/or on the move, not deep and static.
Agree, I enjoy watching him play. I just think it would be good to see him start at 10 against the better teams. I stand to be corrected but my memory tells me he has mostly been at 15, with a change to 10 later in the game (MP aside).
@crazy-horse yeah would be good to see him do it against the chiefs and hurricanes too
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I don't have access to NZ Herald subscription, but who are the players Gregor Paul is referring to here; https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/gregor-paul-two-young-players-a-beacon-of-hope-for-all-blacks-rugby-world-cup-chances/DCH4A7E7GAUNNGW2KLLNPYWRVM/
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I don't have access to NZ Herald subscription, but who are the players Gregor Paul is referring to here; https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/gregor-paul-two-young-players-a-beacon-of-hope-for-all-blacks-rugby-world-cup-chances/DCH4A7E7GAUNNGW2KLLNPYWRVM/
@number9 said in All Blacks 2022:
I don't have access to NZ Herald subscription, but who are the players Gregor Paul is referring to here; https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/gregor-paul-two-young-players-a-beacon-of-hope-for-all-blacks-rugby-world-cup-chances/DCH4A7E7GAUNNGW2KLLNPYWRVM/
Fletcher Newell and Ethan de Groot.
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@number9 said in All Blacks 2022:
I don't have access to NZ Herald subscription, but who are the players Gregor Paul is referring to here; https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/gregor-paul-two-young-players-a-beacon-of-hope-for-all-blacks-rugby-world-cup-chances/DCH4A7E7GAUNNGW2KLLNPYWRVM/
Fletcher Newell and Ethan de Groot.
@victor-meldrew He also mentions Hodgman for selection.
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I've been on record that I think Newel is the future, for quite a while, however I don't think he'll get a go until post WC. However, both DeGroot and especially Hodgman should get chances this year. Some of Hodgman's passing and work around the field has been excellent lately.
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The options at LH are greater than those at TH. If we cull both Laulala and Ta'avao then is Lomax really the answer? He didn't do himself any favours with his scrummaging yesterday. So then it becomes Ofa and who else? I guess this is a long answer to saying that the need to find one or two new THs is more important.
BTW, for anyone that has the Blues-MP game recorded can they check who packed on what side of the scrum when Ofa and Karl were playing together. A mate of mine said that Karl was on the TH side and Ofa remained on the LH. I wasn't looking close enough to notice. Interesting if true.
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The options at LH are greater than those at TH. If we cull both Laulala and Ta'avao then is Lomax really the answer? He didn't do himself any favours with his scrummaging yesterday. So then it becomes Ofa and who else? I guess this is a long answer to saying that the need to find one or two new THs is more important.
BTW, for anyone that has the Blues-MP game recorded can they check who packed on what side of the scrum when Ofa and Karl were playing together. A mate of mine said that Karl was on the TH side and Ofa remained on the LH. I wasn't looking close enough to notice. Interesting if true.
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The options at LH are greater than those at TH. If we cull both Laulala and Ta'avao then is Lomax really the answer? He didn't do himself any favours with his scrummaging yesterday. So then it becomes Ofa and who else? I guess this is a long answer to saying that the need to find one or two new THs is more important.
BTW, for anyone that has the Blues-MP game recorded can they check who packed on what side of the scrum when Ofa and Karl were playing together. A mate of mine said that Karl was on the TH side and Ofa remained on the LH. I wasn't looking close enough to notice. Interesting if true.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
The options at LH are greater than those at TH. If we cull both Laulala and Ta'avao then is Lomax really the answer? He didn't do himself any favours with his scrummaging yesterday. So then it becomes Ofa and who else? I guess this is a long answer to saying that the need to find one or two new THs is more important.
BTW, for anyone that has the Blues-MP game recorded can they check who packed on what side of the scrum when Ofa and Karl were playing together. A mate of mine said that Karl was on the TH side and Ofa remained on the LH. I wasn't looking close enough to notice. Interesting if true.
Karl was at LH here when they won the penalty in the 72nd minute (sorry, screen shot won't load).
BTW, I think we should drop Laulala but Idon't think they will. If they did that, We'd have Ofa starting, then Lomax and Newell or Williams (who can play both sides).
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
The options at LH are greater than those at TH. If we cull both Laulala and Ta'avao then is Lomax really the answer? He didn't do himself any favours with his scrummaging yesterday. So then it becomes Ofa and who else? I guess this is a long answer to saying that the need to find one or two new THs is more important.
BTW, for anyone that has the Blues-MP game recorded can they check who packed on what side of the scrum when Ofa and Karl were playing together. A mate of mine said that Karl was on the TH side and Ofa remained on the LH. I wasn't looking close enough to notice. Interesting if true.
Karl was at LH here when they won the penalty in the 72nd minute (sorry, screen shot won't load).
BTW, I think we should drop Laulala but Idon't think they will. If they did that, We'd have Ofa starting, then Lomax and Newell or Williams (who can play both sides).
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@gt12 I was looking at the mid-week Blues-MP game - Karl definitely came on at tighthead for the last 3 minutes or so (after Laulala's red card had elapsed).
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 I was looking at the mid-week Blues-MP game - Karl definitely came on at tighthead for the last 3 minutes or so (after Laulala's red card had elapsed).
I was checking that too. Yep, he was at TH that day in 18 but that was with Fusitua.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
The options at LH are greater than those at TH. If we cull both Laulala and Ta'avao then is Lomax really the answer? He didn't do himself any favours with his scrummaging yesterday. So then it becomes Ofa and who else? I guess this is a long answer to saying that the need to find one or two new THs is more important.
BTW, for anyone that has the Blues-MP game recorded can they check who packed on what side of the scrum when Ofa and Karl were playing together. A mate of mine said that Karl was on the TH side and Ofa remained on the LH. I wasn't looking close enough to notice. Interesting if true.
Karl was at LH here when they won the penalty in the 72nd minute (sorry, screen shot won't load).
BTW, I think we should drop Laulala but Idon't think they will. If they did that, We'd have Ofa starting, then Lomax and Newell or Williams (who can play both sides).
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The options at LH are greater than those at TH. If we cull both Laulala and Ta'avao then is Lomax really the answer? He didn't do himself any favours with his scrummaging yesterday. So then it becomes Ofa and who else? I guess this is a long answer to saying that the need to find one or two new THs is more important.
BTW, for anyone that has the Blues-MP game recorded can they check who packed on what side of the scrum when Ofa and Karl were playing together. A mate of mine said that Karl was on the TH side and Ofa remained on the LH. I wasn't looking close enough to notice. Interesting if true.
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@gt12 Newell looks a far better option than Williams in my opinion. I think agility is needed at the highest level, and have not seen it from Williams this year. But, Newell shows all the right attributes.
@arhs said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 Newell looks a far better option than Williams in my opinion. I think agility is needed at the highest level, and have not seen it from Williams this year. But, Newell shows all the right attributes.
Yeah, I liked the idea of Newell (TH) and Williams (LH) for the future, but now that Williams has moved back to the TH, I think we’ll see both of them capped. I liked Newell’s work with the ball against the Landers - so far he’s just been focusing on set piece but it appears he can contribute around the field (beyond cleaning), which will be needed in our next props.
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@arhs said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 Newell looks a far better option than Williams in my opinion. I think agility is needed at the highest level, and have not seen it from Williams this year. But, Newell shows all the right attributes.
Yeah, I liked the idea of Newell (TH) and Williams (LH) for the future, but now that Williams has moved back to the TH, I think we’ll see both of them capped. I liked Newell’s work with the ball against the Landers - so far he’s just been focusing on set piece but it appears he can contribute around the field (beyond cleaning), which will be needed in our next props.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@arhs said in All Blacks 2022:
@gt12 Newell looks a far better option than Williams in my opinion. I think agility is needed at the highest level, and have not seen it from Williams this year. But, Newell shows all the right attributes.
Yeah, I liked the idea of Newell (TH) and Williams (LH) for the future, but now that Williams has moved back to the TH, I think we’ll see both of them capped. I liked Newell’s work with the ball against the Landers - so far he’s just been focusing on set piece but it appears he can contribute around the field (beyond cleaning), which will be needed in our next props.
At u/20 Level Newell showed out with his ability to off load well and create space.I haven't seen that in SR as yet but as he gets more confident, as he has only had 3 starts it may come out in his game .
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@bovidae Not an expert but weren't the problems on the loosehead side with the Canes yesterday? Hames was saying Ta'avao was giving the Canes loosehead a torrid time.
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae Not an expert but weren't the problems on the loosehead side with the Canes yesterday? Hames was saying Ta'avao was giving the Canes loosehead a torrid time.
Yeah, I heard that comment too. I thought that collectively the Chiefs front row had an advantage over their Hurricanes opponents. That continued with the reserves, who also got a scrum penalty.
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@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae Not an expert but weren't the problems on the loosehead side with the Canes yesterday? Hames was saying Ta'avao was giving the Canes loosehead a torrid time.
Yeah, I heard that comment too. I thought that collectively the Chiefs front row had an advantage over their Hurricanes opponents. That continued with the reserves, who also got a scrum penalty.
@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae Not an expert but weren't the problems on the loosehead side with the Canes yesterday? Hames was saying Ta'avao was giving the Canes loosehead a torrid time.
I thought that collectively the Chiefs front row had an advantage over their Hurricanes opponents. That continued with the reserves, who also got a scrum penalty.
Fun fact, this Chiefs pack is heavier than both teams that played in 2019 RWC final.
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@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@old-samurai-jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@bovidae Not an expert but weren't the problems on the loosehead side with the Canes yesterday? Hames was saying Ta'avao was giving the Canes loosehead a torrid time.
I thought that collectively the Chiefs front row had an advantage over their Hurricanes opponents. That continued with the reserves, who also got a scrum penalty.
Fun fact, this Chiefs pack is heavier than both teams that played in 2019 RWC final.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
Fun fact, this Chiefs pack is heavier than both teams that played in 2019 RWC final.
That surprises me. Mafileo, BBBR and Vaa'i are all heavier than their replacements from yesterday.
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So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.
Any surprises?
Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
BBBR, Vaai
Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
Smith, Mounga
Havili, ALB
Reece, Jordan, JordieBuggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.
Any surprises?
Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
BBBR, Vaai
Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
Smith, Mounga
Havili, ALB
Reece, Jordan, JordieBuggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.
no one is going to question Jordie on the wing...we giving that another go?
