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Kiwiwomble

i prefer more structure than three guys roaming...but you're probably right

Machpants

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

Any surprises?

Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
BBBR, Vaai
Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
Smith, Mounga
Havili, ALB
Reece, Jordan, Jordie

Buggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.

no one is going to question Jordie on the wing...we giving that another go?

You’re counting is very poor, I must say. I just have no idea why cane is in 8, Havilli at 11?

Kiwiwomble

@machpants said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

Any surprises?

Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
BBBR, Vaai
Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
Smith, Mounga
Havili, ALB
Reece, Jordan, Jordie

Buggar all changes really with a few injuries and pending holidays...obviously a 'what should the 15 be' would have a few changes I expect.

no one is going to question Jordie on the wing...we giving that another go?

You’re counting is very poor, I must say. I just have no idea why cane is in 8, Havilli at 11?

*your

Frank

@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:

So what would a startimg 15 look like right now, with our injuries.

Any surprises?

Moody, Samsoni, Hodgman
BBBR, Vaai
Blackadder, Ardie, Cane
Smith, Mounga
Havili, ALB
Reece, Jordan, Jordie

Jesus that team looks pretty average.
Jordie at wing?
You're taking the piss aren't you?
Even Foster must see that was a waste of time.

taniwharugby

@machpants assuming you are serious, think of it i you set a scrum and thier positioning then....

kiwi_expat

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/phil-gifford-behind-the-scenes-with-the-all-blacks-former-undercover-agent/7Y5OJVVVGEFKSXN3W2KB7GPFVU/

McLean also points to the midfield as a reason for the semifinal defeat.

"The other thing is that ever since Ma'a Nonu went we haven't had a really physically dominant person in the midfield.

"Since Ma'a's gone we've had guys who are really good rugby players. But our problem is that most of our midfield players who have been the form players in Super Rugby have been very similar types. You need someone who's the ball carrier, and one who's an organiser. Our great teams have always had centre pairings who are like ying and yang. Walter Little and Frank Bunce, Joe Stanley and Warwick Taylor, Ma'a and Conrad [Smith].

"Ma'a was also a good passer. When I coached him at the Hurricanes I kept wondering, 'Why doesn't he pass more? He'e a really good passer.' But I knew that every person who had coached him knew his great strength was carrying the ball not into contact, but right through it.

"He never got asked to change, because coaches decided we'll use your strength. And in his early days especially, a lot of his self esteem came from rugby, and in rugby his self esteem came from his ball carrying. And God, he was good at it. You'd have tackling practice, and no-one wanted to tackle Ma'a. He certainly used his full range of skills at the back end of his career.

"Now we're seven years on from 2015 and we still haven't been able to establish a centre pairing."

kiwi_expat

For the record, I'd have Thomas Umaga-Jensen as the ball carrier at 12 and ALB as the organizer at 13.

There aren't many centres as huge (110kg+) as Thomas in NZ & the man is a beast at just 23 years.

Kiwiwomble

@kiwi_expat but he is made of glass, he could be the love child of DC and Nonu but if he cant string enough games together to show what he can do does it count?

Bovidae

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

There aren't many centres as huge (110kg+) as Thomas in NZ & the man is a beast at just 23 years.

I note that the Highlanders player profile has him at 95 kg. I certainly don't believe that either, and I assume that Thomas and Peter are similar in size? Peter is listed at 102 kg.

kiwi_expat

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwi_expat but he is made of glass, he could be the love child of DC and Nonu but if he cant string enough games together to show what he can do does it count?

SBW would get injured every second or third game, that didn't stop Hansen favoring him over others who were possibly better.

kiwi_expat

@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

There aren't many centres as huge (110kg+) as Thomas in NZ & the man is a beast at just 23 years.

I note that the Highlanders player profile has him at 95 kg. I certainly don't believe that either, and I assume that Thomas and Peter are similar in size? Peter is listed at 102 kg.

Tony Brown said he came back from preseason weighing around 113kg

Kiwiwomble

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwi_expat but he is made of glass, he could be the love child of DC and Nonu but if he cant string enough games together to show what he can do does it count?

SBW would get injured every second or third game, that didn't stop Hansen favoring him over others who were possibly better.

i dont remember that but at least he made it to the AB's...TUJ cant make it out the super season currently

Chris

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwi_expat but he is made of glass, he could be the love child of DC and Nonu but if he cant string enough games together to show what he can do does it count?

SBW would get injured every second or third game, that didn't stop Hansen favoring him over others who were possibly better.

i dont remember that but at least he made it to the AB's...TUJ cant make it out the super season currently

Has TUJ played 3 games in a row in the last 3 seasons ?.
I don’t think he has due to injuries.
Hard to pick a guy who has maybe played 5 or 6 games in 3 years due to injuries.

gt12

@chris

Although I agree with that, access to the AB trainers, dieticians etc might be important for overcoming it

Stargazer

@gt12 How does that access prevent breaking bones or suffering a concussion?

KiwiMurph

@stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

@gt12 How does that access prevent breaking bones or suffering a concussion?

Isn't he out with a groin injury currently?

taniwharugby

@kiwi_expat I don't recall too many injuries for SBW, especially in the early part of his rugby career.

Always seemed pretty durable, and looked to just be finding his feet and pressuring Nonu for starts and went for one of his league stints.

Stargazer

@kiwimurph He's had so many different injuries, I really don't remember them all.

cgrant

@bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:

There aren't many centres as huge (110kg+) as Thomas in NZ & the man is a beast at just 23 years.

I note that the Highlanders player profile has him at 95 kg. I certainly don't believe that either, and I assume that Thomas and Peter are similar in size? Peter is listed at 102 kg.

Thomas looks much bigger/heavier than Peter.

Bones

@stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:

@gt12 How does that access prevent breaking bones or suffering a concussion?

Technique, training methods, plenty of ways.

The Silver Fern

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