All Blacks 2022
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I wonder how many games Coles has played compared to how many he could have played in the last 3 years ,probably not a lot would be my guess.
Always a risk to take injury prone players in a 32 man squad to a WC.
He played more often than I thought:
2019: AB's: Hooker [5], Sub [4] - 9 tests
2019: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [3] - 10 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2020: AB's: Hooker [4], Sub [1] - 5 tests - 2 tries (10 pts)
2020: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [2] - 9 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2021: AB's: Hooker [3], Sub [3] - 6 tests - 7 tries (35 pts)
2021: Hu: Hooker [8], Sub [1] - 9 games - 5 tries (25 pts)
2021: Well: Hooker - 1 game -
He played more often than I thought:
2019: AB's: Hooker [5], Sub [4] - 9 tests
2019: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [3] - 10 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2020: AB's: Hooker [4], Sub [1] - 5 tests - 2 tries (10 pts)
2020: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [2] - 9 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2021: AB's: Hooker [3], Sub [3] - 6 tests - 7 tries (35 pts)
2021: Hu: Hooker [8], Sub [1] - 9 games - 5 tries (25 pts)
2021: Well: Hooker - 1 game@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
He played more often than I thought:
2019: AB's: Hooker [5], Sub [4] - 9 tests
2019: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [3] - 10 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2020: AB's: Hooker [4], Sub [1] - 5 tests - 2 tries (10 pts)
2020: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [2] - 9 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2021: AB's: Hooker [3], Sub [3] - 6 tests - 7 tries (35 pts)
2021: Hu: Hooker [8], Sub [1] - 9 games - 5 tries (25 pts)
2021: Well: Hooker - 1 gameYep more than I thought,It seems like he is missing for large chunks of SR and it is becoming more regular with age.
For all of us that have played sport know Calf injuries are harder to mend the older you get,And are more regular occurrences ,that seems to be Coles main injuries the last couple of years. -
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
He played more often than I thought:
2019: AB's: Hooker [5], Sub [4] - 9 tests
2019: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [3] - 10 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2020: AB's: Hooker [4], Sub [1] - 5 tests - 2 tries (10 pts)
2020: Hu: Hooker [7], Sub [2] - 9 games - 4 tries (20 pts)2021: AB's: Hooker [3], Sub [3] - 6 tests - 7 tries (35 pts)
2021: Hu: Hooker [8], Sub [1] - 9 games - 5 tries (25 pts)
2021: Well: Hooker - 1 gameYep more than I thought,It seems like he is missing for large chunks of SR and it is becoming more regular with age.
For all of us that have played sport know Calf injuries are harder to mend the older you get,And are more regular occurrences ,that seems to be Coles main injuries the last couple of years. -
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
Which 3 hookers would you pick this year?
ST,Taylor and probably Coles believe it or not,Eklund on form is the only other hooker I see on the radar as Amua has gone backwards.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Some interesting stats in that.
Seems like Samisoni is clearly best with ball in hand, but he's down on workrate - rucks and tackles. Might point to him perhaps needing to be used for shorter stints than some of the others..
Be interesting to know quite what's gone on with Taylor. He was one of the players of Super rugby in 2021, but his international form obviously fell away. I think he's picked up a bit again this year, but maybe he needs to be better managed across the season. He shouldn't be cooked at 31.
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@Tim said in All Blacks 2022:
Some interesting stats in that.
Seems like Samisoni is clearly best with ball in hand, but he's down on workrate - rucks and tackles. Might point to him perhaps needing to be used for shorter stints than some of the others..
Be interesting to know quite what's gone on with Taylor. He was one of the players of Super rugby in 2021, but his international form obviously fell away. I think he's picked up a bit again this year, but maybe he needs to be better managed across the season. He shouldn't be cooked at 31.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems like Samisoni is clearly best with ball in hand, but he's down on workrate - rucks and tackles. Might point to him perhaps needing to be used for shorter stints than some of the others.
if he's my dominant ball runner and also a key set piece guy, i don't also need him to hit all the rucks and make all the tackles. There are role players for that.
Of course, if i am an opposition coach i want him making as many tackles and attending as many rucks as possible.
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ST, Coles & Eklund
I'm pessimistic about Taylor and Coles ability to contribute at the RWC. So I wouldn't want to carry both of them right now
When Coles falls over Taylor can be called up
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
ST, Coles & Eklund
I'm pessimistic about Taylor and Coles ability to contribute at the RWC. So I wouldn't want to carry both of them right now
When Coles falls over Taylor can be called up
For me If Eklund is picked then on age I would pick Taylor 32 at WC time Coles will be almost 37 in December 2023 come WC time.
Coles hasn't played this year as yet, the older he gets the more his form will hit the wall dramatically somewhere, just due to age and his body not holding up.. -
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
ST, Coles & Eklund
I'm pessimistic about Taylor and Coles ability to contribute at the RWC. So I wouldn't want to carry both of them right now
When Coles falls over Taylor can be called up
For me If Eklund is picked then on age I would pick Taylor 32 at WC time Coles will be almost 37 in December 2023 come WC time.
Coles hasn't played this year as yet, the older he gets the more his form will hit the wall dramatically somewhere, just due to age and his body not holding up..@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
For me If Eklund is picked then on age I would pick Taylor 32 at WC time Coles will be almost 37 in December 2023 come WC time.
It's not about age, it's about current ability
Taylor is on a decline and has been for some time. No idea why, but I wouldnât assume heâs going to turn things around. Coles plays better but has injury concerns.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
Seems like Samisoni is clearly best with ball in hand, but he's down on workrate - rucks and tackles. Might point to him perhaps needing to be used for shorter stints than some of the others.
if he's my dominant ball runner and also a key set piece guy, i don't also need him to hit all the rucks and make all the tackles. There are role players for that.
Of course, if i am an opposition coach i want him making as many tackles and attending as many rucks as possible.
@mariner4life I'll keep an eye out for a couple of Reuben Thorne's - to bring the work rate - in your teams!
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
For me If Eklund is picked then on age I would pick Taylor 32 at WC time Coles will be almost 37 in December 2023 come WC time.
It's not about age, it's about current ability
Taylor is on a decline and has been for some time. No idea why, but I wouldnât assume heâs going to turn things around. Coles plays better but has injury concerns.
@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
For me If Eklund is picked then on age I would pick Taylor 32 at WC time Coles will be almost 37 in December 2023 come WC time.
It's not about age, it's about current ability
Taylor is on a decline and has been for some time. Coles plays better but has injury concerns.
Taylor had a massive 2021 SR ,Played well against the Blues last game his form maybe going up now,for me I don't think he is in decline just a below par patch there at the end of 2021 which all players have.
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@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
For me If Eklund is picked then on age I would pick Taylor 32 at WC time Coles will be almost 37 in December 2023 come WC time.
It's not about age, it's about current ability
Taylor is on a decline and has been for some time. Coles plays better but has injury concerns.
Taylor had a massive 2021 SR ,Played well against the Blues last game his form maybe going up now,for me I don't think he is in decline just a below par patch there at the end of 2021 which all players have.
Coles hasn't even played in 2022 his form might end up worse than Taylor's. -
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
@KiwiMurph has this been due to the workload at Super?
Am sure they must have data around tested pre-during-post Super and then in and around AB camps for fitness and so on so would hopefully point to fatigue if it is a factor for these guys.
I do however agree Coles probably now sits behind ST (1) and CT (2) in the pecking order.
As good as Eklund has been, I'm not sure he will leapfrog Coles and Aumua for the 3rd role.
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@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level. -
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris The problem is Taylor's test level form has been up and down for a few seasons now - simply put his Super Rugby form just hasn't translated across.
I think @taniwharugby hit the nail on the head with his post.
His workload at Super Rugby has been nearly 100% involvement.
Over worked through SR may have caused a drop off at Test level.The numbers for reserve hooker and reserve first five at the Saders backed that up - it's even worse when you think that now with enforced rest games, he and Mo'unga basically end up playing 80 every other game (especially if it is tight). I don't think that is setting him up to be effective when we get to test rugby, he just looked fucked last year.
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@Bones If fatty keeps up his form then I wouldnât have an issue with then bringing him back. The IF is the key though.
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones If fatty keeps up his form then I wouldnât have an issue with then bringing him back. The IF is the key though.
even a solid 11 to allow RI to really work on midfield without being shifted out there every few games would be a huge help
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones If fatty keeps up his form then I wouldnât have an issue with then bringing him back. The IF is the key though.
even a solid 11 to allow RI to really work on midfield without being shifted out there every few games would be a huge help
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
even a solid 11 to allow RI to really work on midfield without being shifted out there every few games would be a huge help
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