Steve Tew: New Zealand ready for a gay All Black
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<p>Statistically yes. I haven't followed this subject for years, but most academic research seemed to conclude that anywhere between 1-10% of the population is gay, and the studies that place the "gay population" at the high end of this range included people as "gay" where they had "gay thoughts" even once in their life. </p>
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<p>So if we've had 1,100 - 1,200 All Blacks, then 1-10% of that is 11-120 gay All Blacks.</p>
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<p>I suspect there's some pretty significant filters and there would be significantly less gay ABs than average in the same way as I suspect there might be more gay blokes than average working in theatre. </p> -
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<p>I suspect there's some pretty significant filters and there would be significantly less gay ABs than average in the same way as I suspect there might be more gay blokes than average working in theatre. </p>
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<p>I dunno, are there not a pretty proportionate number of gay men in the military? (Someone please fact-check this.)</p> -
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<p>I dunno, are there not a pretty proportionate number of gay men in the military? (Someone please fact-check this.)</p>
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<p>Movies would lead me to believe there's a lot of pillow biters in prison too.</p> -
<p>My mate told me he met a gay carpenter once - he always left a saw behind.</p>
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<p>I suspect there's some pretty significant filters and there would be significantly less gay ABs than average in the same way as I suspect there might be more gay blokes than average working in theatre. </p>
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<p>Yes, exactly. So the "first gay All Black" might have been or he might still be a person into the future.</p>
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<p>The gay inclusive policy thing is hardly likely to boost playing strength and, as I have said before, is borne out of societal expectations and for the good of the grass roots.</p> -
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<p>My mate told me he met a gay carpenter once - he always left a saw behind.</p>
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<p>That is so bad it's great!</p>
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Statistically yes. I haven't followed this subject for years, but most academic research seemed to conclude that anywhere between 1-10% of the population is gay, and the studies that place the "gay population" at the high end of this range included people as "gay" where they had "gay thoughts" even once in their life. <br><br>
So if we've had 1,100 - 1,200 All Blacks, then 1-10% of that is 11-120 gay All Blacks.</p></blockquote>
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It's more likely to be at the 11 end of those figures than 120 I reckon . For most of the abs history it's been a crime to be gay in NZ for a start. -
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My mate told me he met a gay carpenter once - he always left a saw behind.</p></blockquote>
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My cousins a builder and gay , we all figured it out when he was a teenager . His dad didn't till his son was about 40 , I think the penny finally dropped when he'd had the same flat mate for three different houses that they renovated together and his " flat mate " knitted a shawl for his grand daughter . -
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<p>My cousins a builder and gay , we all figured it out when he was a teenager . His dad didn't till his son was about 40 , I think the penny finally dropped when he'd had the same flat mate for three different houses that they renovated together and his " flat mate " knitted a shawl for his grand daughter .</p>
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<p>I think I must be a bit of a reluctant conservative in this regard, because if my son was homosexual, I would struggle with it. I would get over it, and I wouldnt ever let him know .. but I would be a bit wierded out by it. Doesnt make any logical sense, but them the breaks. </p>
<p>Of course him and his partner would be welcome in the house and made to feel welcome.. but I wouldn't like to see them displaying PDA. Of course that would be my fault and issue, but meh, hopefully he would understand.</p> -
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<p>I think I must be a bit of a reluctant conservative in this regard, because if my son was homosexual, I would struggle with it. I would get over it, and I wouldnt ever let him know .. but I would be a bit wierded out by it. Doesnt make any logical sense, but them the breaks. </p>
<p>Of course him and his partner would be welcome in the house and made to feel welcome.. but I wouldn't like to see them displaying PDA. Of course that would be my fault and issue, but meh, hopefully he would understand.</p>
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<p>To be fair, in terms of PDA, I doubt you would be that keen to see that in front of you even he does fluke it and become Hetro :)</p> -
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<p>I think I must be a bit of a reluctant conservative in this regard, because if my son was homosexual, I would struggle with it. I would get over it, and I wouldnt ever let him know .. but I would be a bit wierded out by it. Doesnt make any logical sense, but them the breaks. </p>
<p>Of course him and his partner would be welcome in the house and made to feel welcome.. but I wouldn't like to see them displaying PDA. Of course that would be my fault and issue, but meh, hopefully he would understand.</p>
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<p>I get that, I think I would be very similar. At the end of the day he's still your child and deserves your love and support.</p>
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<p>Except of course if he becomes a green mp or starts supporting Canterbury/Auckland. Then I'd disown him.</p> -
<p>If I had kids, the gender of a special friend they brought home would be the last thing in the world to concern me, but that could be cos I've had my bi times.</p>
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<p>I'd be dangling the shotgun until assured the friend was a person of good character, gainfully employed, and made my kid happy.</p> -
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<p>If I had kids, the gender of a special friend they brought home would be the last thing in the world to concern me, but that could be cos I've had my bi times.</p>
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<p>I'd be dangling the shotgun until assured the friend was a person of good character, gainfully employed, and made my kid happy.</p>
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<p>If I had kids, the gender of a special friend they brought home would be the last thing in the world to concern me, but that could be cos<strong> I've had my bi times</strong>.</p>
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<p>I'd be dangling the shotgun until assured the friend was a person of good character, gainfully employed, and made my kid happy.</p>
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<p>It's more likely to be at the 11 end of those figures than 120 I reckon . For most of the abs history it's been a crime to be gay in NZ for a start.</p>
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<p>So if they didn't come out due to being criminalised that doesn't count as gay?</p> -
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<p>I think I must be a bit of a reluctant conservative in this regard, because if my son was homosexual, I would struggle with it. I would get over it, and I wouldnt ever let him know .. but I would be a bit wierded out by it. Doesnt make any logical sense, but them the breaks. </p>
<p>Of course him and his partner would be welcome in the house and made to feel welcome.. but I wouldn't like to see them displaying PDA. Of course that would be my fault and issue, but meh, hopefully he would understand.</p>
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<p>Are people PDA'ing infront of their inlaws nowadays? Its not normally that comfortable watching anyone chowing down on a tongue sandwich is it? I hate to say it but I think you are normal enough, and no one is that comfortable watching their kid fill their boots with their partner. </p> -
<p>Thailand is a society where basically no one gives a flying fuck about homosexuality. For sure the place is plagued with other ridiculous forms of prejudice but first residing there at the start of the century and teaching secondary school age it was at first puzzling and then heartening to see that "school kid hassling" on the basis of homosexuality carried no real currency.</p>
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<p>Teaching at an all boys school, the gay kids just naturally emerged at about puberty, and while we called them "girls" on occasion, there was no hate involved, no prejudice, no animosity. It was almost equivalent to us judging people based on "he's good at sport, he's good at drawing, he's good at music etc"</p>
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<p>It was refreshing. Needless to say the gay students (again I must stress that they had no need to hide any behaviour, didn't even think about it. They just grew into what they are) were mainly delightful little human beings. Eager to learn, creative and practical, and they had heaps of cool coloured pens :)</p>
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<p>The other kids couldn't give a fuck. Actually the only time it was brought up was by me trying to be cool in front of the class. The kids all got the neanderthal way I was teasing (playfully, to get a laugh) but everything was well mannered. The tough kids looked after the less tough ones and never was sexuality an issue.</p>
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<p>I talked to fathers of gay boys and they didn't bat an eyelid and loved their kids for all they were (I know, why shouldn't they eh).</p>
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<p>Now, the point of this anecdote isn't to cast an opinion on what people have said but just to point out how culturally man made these major issues in society are and how pretty ridiculous they are with a simple mind shift of "it ain't how you're made, it's what you do that defines you".</p>
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<p>It was funny and heartening coming from homophobic NZ to a country which had already gotten over all the "homo shit and prejudice". It's pretty easy to do and as MR said, you know you have when the who;e issue ceases to be a talking point (headline, major news item).</p>
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<p>Also, NZ and Aus (to name a few) have MASSIVE sexuality hang ups - stemming from Victorian England IMO </p>
