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A simple way could just be if its cynical or dangerous its 10 minutes and replaced. There are 7 reserves so it shouldn't impact the side too much.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/20/ethan-de-groot-spoken-to-about-soft-red-card-comments/
I think this point is dead wrong:
But Lendrum said recent criticism of match officials in immediate post-match interviews by players - particularly Ardie Savea and Aaron Smith - had been addressed. "Respect for referees is a critical value for our game. What we want to see is feedback around referees... being made through appropriate channels."Rugby and rugby media is so fucking boring and this is basically saying act even more like a robot. As a fan, I'd much rather see the players saying what they actually think or those sideline/post-game interviews are just bullshit filler. Sport, as entertainment, should thrive on the fans getting involved, but they seem to want it all very behind closed doors, just watch the game and don't care.
Edit: btw, I'm condoning ref abuse, but if you think a call went the wrong way and you just lost because of it, you should be able to say that in your post-game talk.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/20/ethan-de-groot-spoken-to-about-soft-red-card-comments/
I think this point is dead wrong:
But Lendrum said recent criticism of match officials in immediate post-match interviews by players - particularly Ardie Savea and Aaron Smith - had been addressed. "Respect for referees is a critical value for our game. What we want to see is feedback around referees... being made through appropriate channels."Rugby and rugby media is so fucking boring and this is basically saying act even more like a robot. As a fan, I'd much rather see the players saying what they actually think or those sideline/post-game interviews are just bullshit filler. Sport, as entertainment, should thrive on the fans getting involved, but they seem to want it all very behind closed doors, just watch the game and don't care.
Edit: btw, I'm condoning ref abuse, but if you think a call went the wrong way and you just lost because of it, you should be able to say that in your post-game talk.
@gt12 yeah is a fine line, happy for them to point out the things they got wrong, but I guess its how they do this; it can come across as a legit concern about officiating, but also whiny, we lost, waaah
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@Stargazer said in Red Cards:
It's a slippery slope. I agree with NZR on this.
Generally I agree. But there needs to be better communication from the ref side too. More examples of refs like Ben OKeefe turning up on shoes like the Breakdown and explaining decisions, honestly and admitting mistakes too.
I want passion from the players, not like what others have mentioned robots. It’s good when they are upset, shows they care about the result.
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@Stargazer said in Red Cards:
It's a slippery slope. I agree with NZR on this.
Generally I agree. But there needs to be better communication from the ref side too. More examples of refs like Ben OKeefe turning up on shoes like the Breakdown and explaining decisions, honestly and admitting mistakes too.
I want passion from the players, not like what others have mentioned robots. It’s good when they are upset, shows they care about the result.
@Stargazer said in Red Cards:
It's a slippery slope. I agree with NZR on this.
Generally I agree. But there needs to be better communication from the ref side too. More examples of refs like Ben OKeefe turning up on shoes like the Breakdown and explaining decisions, honestly and admitting mistakes too.
I want passion from the players, not like what others have mentioned robots. It’s good when they are upset, shows they care about the result.
Would make the Breakdown a better programme, too.
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There are official channels to provide critique and get feedback from the refs. If you flip this around, should we expect refs to publicly criticise players for poor tackle technique, etc?
There are official channels to provide critique and get feedback from the refs. If you flip this around, should we expect refs to publicly criticise players for poor tackle technique, etc?
I think that people can accept a captain saying:
'I think they got that last call wrong and and lately we just haven't had any luck with the 50/50s' or 'I think we got sawn -off with that shot on ___ and I imagine it will be get dealt with later'
vs
'every time we get O'Thief we end up on the wrong side of the ledger and we've had a gutsfull of the shit refereeing'.
By the way, I wouldn't have a problem with the refs being interviewed at the end of the game and saying their thoughts.
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@Stargazer said in Red Cards:
It's a slippery slope. I agree with NZR on this.
Generally I agree. But there needs to be better communication from the ref side too. More examples of refs like Ben OKeefe turning up on shoes like the Breakdown and explaining decisions, honestly and admitting mistakes too.
I want passion from the players, not like what others have mentioned robots. It’s good when they are upset, shows they care about the result.
Would make the Breakdown a better programme, too.
@Stargazer said in Red Cards:
@Stargazer said in Red Cards:
It's a slippery slope. I agree with NZR on this.
Generally I agree. But there needs to be better communication from the ref side too. More examples of refs like Ben OKeefe turning up on shoes like the Breakdown and explaining decisions, honestly and admitting mistakes too.
I want passion from the players, not like what others have mentioned robots. It’s good when they are upset, shows they care about the result.
Would make the Breakdown a better programme, too.
Having half a dozen posters on here smashing Steinlagers and talking shit would be a better show to be fair
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Stating the obvious, but there is a reason why we have robotic players/coaches etc in the media - say the wrong thing and it will come back to bite them. Don't blame them one bit for saying bugger all. 'We' can't seem to handle honesty anymore.
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Criticising referees is unedifying. Makes the game lose class. In rugby we treat referees with the utmost respect and we shouldn't go away from that just for some "colour in post match interviews".
It is a bloody hard game to referee - far harder than say football or league - and referees missing things is simply a part of the fabric of the game. If the game was simpler less mistakes would be made but then we wouldn't have the chaotic game that is rugby.
I don't necessarily think that Ardie Savea or Aaron Smith committed disciplinary offences but that stuff needs to be stamped out of the game asap.
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I think that historically refs were almost beyond reproach and should not.be questioned, barely seemed like they were internally even.
But as the game has evolved, I don't think the refs have, still seemingly unapproachable and not to be questioned or critiqued.
Again, I don't agree with the abuse they cop, but like players get written about when they play well/poorly, a ref should be able.to be judged too...albeit more constructive than some seem to be.
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The problem is the disconnect between amateurism and professionalism. Quite clearly NZR have done a lot of work to address referee abuse in the amateur game and don't consider the rugby public sufficiently mature enough to make a differentiation at the professional level. Which is disappointing because you can't tell me Pickering or Williams are competent.
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@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Crazy-Horse I think the new directive for age grade rugby is below the nipple line
Gotta admit I have always gone for the nipples.
@taniwharugby said in Red Cards:
@Crazy-Horse I think the new directive for age grade rugby is below the nipple line
Gotta admit I have always gone for the nipples.
I got to a decent level of rugby despite being as slow as molasses primarily on my defence.
My go to was the line where the shorts met the shirt.
Softest part of the opponent, and when timed right buckled the ball carrier often resulting in a knock on or forward pass when they tried to offload when the air left their body
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First point: tackler was still too high IMHO.
Second point: Barnes' reasoning is sound; Dombrandt's actions have taken some responsibility off the defenders as it reduced their options to adjust height. This is in line with dropping your own player at lineout time, which you rarely see penalised, or pushing someone into the path of a chasing/jumping player at kick chase.
Third point: if Dombrandt had latched on and driven with Marler, then no issue with his actions.
In that circumstance, it would also have worked to have penalised the defending team, mitigating down from yellow or red via Dombrandt's actions, and warning both captains that if it happened again, the attacking side would be penalised.
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@MajorRage said in Red Cards:
People aren't perfect and never have been. Modern game you need to tackle around the chest to stop plays. As long as this remains the key way to clear people out / collide, then head knocks are always going to happen.
Agreed. That's why the mitigation framework for high tackles is in place to reduce the responsibility on tacklers.
We saw that in action over the weekend where player falling into a tackle in ?Brumbies v Highlanders? was "play on" after neck/head contact.
