All Blacks 2022
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@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
I prefer the utility to come from the bench, purely to minimise disruption. If you only have a 12 on the bench and he comes on for a centre/wing, that's two big changes to the backline.
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
I prefer the utility to come from the bench, purely to minimise disruption. If you only have a 12 on the bench and he comes on for a centre/wing, that's two big changes to the backline.
agreed, we see it all the time with someone like Banks at the Highlanders....he comes on...but has to come on at 10...so hunt has to move to 15...and gilbert/CGB (whoever) has to move to the wing...and now one sub has 3-4 people playing in new positions
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLANDim going to show my ignorance, i thought SA would still be involved in the RC, this is a real surprise to me
and what the fuck is Lipovitan-D?
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@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones well storm looking at mounga wasn't there coach in crowd last nite
Coach was in the Crusaders Box.Craig Belamy is good mates with Razor,Belamy was at the Crusaders captains run on Saturday.
They interact with each other regularly, they have spent time at each others bases on a few occasions.Along with Dave Rennie? Rennie and Belamy we're in the same box.
For the highlanders game They we’re ,then Bellamy was in the crusaders box for their game,Rennie wasn’t.
It is in the article belowhttps://forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4724/crusaders-2022/503
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@booboo said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones well storm looking at mounga wasn't there coach in crowd last nite
Coach was in the Crusaders Box.Craig Belamy is good mates with Razor,Belamy was at the Crusaders captains run on Saturday.
They interact with each other regularly, they have spent time at each others bases on a few occasions.Along with Dave Rennie? Rennie and Belamy we're in the same box.
For the highlanders game They we’re ,then Bellamy was in the crusaders box for their game,Rennie wasn’t.
It is in the article belowhttps://forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/4724/crusaders-2022/503
Ok. Must have conflated the two games.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
I prefer the utility to come from the bench, purely to minimise disruption. If you only have a 12 on the bench and he comes on for a centre/wing, that's two big changes to the backline.
agreed, we see it all the time with someone like Banks at the Highlanders....he comes on...but has to come on at 10...so hunt has to move to 15...and gilbert/CGB (whoever) has to move to the wing...and now one sub has 3-4 people playing in new positions
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLANDim going to show my ignorance, i thought SA would still be involved in the RC, this is a real surprise to me
and what the fuck is Lipovitan-D?
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
I prefer the utility to come from the bench, purely to minimise disruption. If you only have a 12 on the bench and he comes on for a centre/wing, that's two big changes to the backline.
agreed, we see it all the time with someone like Banks at the Highlanders....he comes on...but has to come on at 10...so hunt has to move to 15...and gilbert/CGB (whoever) has to move to the wing...and now one sub has 3-4 people playing in new positions
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLANDim going to show my ignorance, i thought SA would still be involved in the RC, this is a real surprise to me
and what the fuck is Lipovitan-D?
Further up the thread peeps mention we play SA twice in SA, and Art twice here.
This counts as a #booboo
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Yeahtheboys said in All Blacks 2022:
@No-Quarter fair enough. Never understood the concept of the bench player needing to cover all the positions. If the starters can cover positions then it doesn’t matter surely?
I prefer the utility to come from the bench, purely to minimise disruption. If you only have a 12 on the bench and he comes on for a centre/wing, that's two big changes to the backline.
agreed, we see it all the time with someone like Banks at the Highlanders....he comes on...but has to come on at 10...so hunt has to move to 15...and gilbert/CGB (whoever) has to move to the wing...and now one sub has 3-4 people playing in new positions
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLANDim going to show my ignorance, i thought SA would still be involved in the RC, this is a real surprise to me
and what the fuck is Lipovitan-D?
Further up the thread peeps mention we play SA twice in SA, and Art twice here.
This counts as a #booboo
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@booboo you would know :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:
but its not on the "official" announcement?
@Kiwiwomble The article I posted is only for the home test schedule. The ABs play SA in SA (Nelspruit and Johannesburg).
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My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
It's almost guaranteed that Goodhue & Ioane will be Foster's midfield pairing.
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively, but they're definitely ones for the future. The only absolute certainty come 2023 is that (barring injury) Reiko will be our starting 13.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2022:
My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
It's almost guaranteed that Goodhue & Ioane will be Foster's midfield pairing.
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively, but they're definitely ones for the future. The only absolute certainty come 2023 is that (barring injury) Reiko will be our starting 13.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively
I don't understand the thinking that it's too late to bring in new talent when there's nearly 20 tests before the RWC.
Is Leicester that bad defensively? According to the All Black app he has a better tackle % (85%) than Ennor (83%).
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My backline at moment is:
Smith
Beauden
Reece
Goodhue
Rieko
Jordan
JordieChristie
Mo'unga
ALBWould happily swap Clarke for Reece if he starts to recapture the form that got him selected in the first place.
@No-Quarter Agree up to a point, want to see more from Goodhue , picking on one game is a bit extreme.
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2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLANDSix Tests at home in 2022 is fewer than all the other major Rugby nations. The All Blacks will play most of their tests in 2022 on the road. Hardly a bumper set of home tests. Poor spin by NZR.
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@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively
I don't understand the thinking that it's too late to bring in new talent when there's nearly 20 tests before the RWC.
Is Leicester that bad defensively? According to the All Black app he has a better tackle % (85%) than Ennor (83%).
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively
I don't understand the thinking that it's too late to bring in new talent when there's nearly 20 tests before the RWC.
Does it not concern you at all - the fact that (ever since Wayne Smith left after the 2017 season) there has been zero effort made to establish an established backrow, midfield, back-three or halves combination?
Ian Foster has continually opted for rotation and 'options' over cohesion and established combinations. For some reason he ignored the fact that our success from 2011-2015 was largely based on the fact that we had an established XV that everyone knew. There were no surprises and for important tests everyone knew what our best team was.
If I've said it once I've said it a million times, selection is Ian Foster's biggest flaw. It's his Achilles heel. He is obsessed with experimentation and with rotation. He is obsessed with keeping all of his players happy. I suspect part of this is because he knows he's a dud coach and any whiff of a player rebellion would be the end of his career.
What Ian Foster should be focused on is building cohesion and combinations. Ma's Nonu and Conrad Smith didn't become the world's best midfield overnight. They gelled over many seasons of playing together. The Read/McCaw/Kaino backrow would never have been as good if players were constantly rotated in and out, and uncertain of their positions. They became the best in the world over time because they had time to grow and gel as a trio.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLANDSix Tests at home in 2022 is fewer than all the other major Rugby nations. The All Blacks will play most of their tests in 2022 on the road. Hardly a bumper set of home tests. Poor spin by NZR.
@sparky said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
2022 Steinlager Series
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 2 July, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLAND
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 9 July, 7.05PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN
All Blacks vs Ireland, Saturday 16 July, 7.05PM, Sky Stadium, WELLINGTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 27 August, Kick-off time TBC, Orangetheory Stadium, CHRISTCHURCH
All Blacks vs Argentina, Saturday 3 September, 7.05PM, FMG Stadium Waikato, HAMILTONThe Lipovitan-D Rugby Championship and Bledisloe Cup
All Blacks vs Australia, Saturday 24 September, 7.05PM, Eden Park, AUCKLANDSix Tests at home in 2022 is fewer than all the other major Rugby nations. The All Blacks will play most of their tests in 2022 on the road. Hardly a bumper set of home tests. Poor spin by NZR.
Good for the team, if not the supporters. RWC ain't in NZ next year!
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@Tim That won't be too far away.
I don't think Tuipolotu makes it, because they have three experienced locks and two up-and-comers, so no point squeezing him in when he's given them an excuse not to and is a known (and not superb) quantity.
They'll probably only name two first fives, but if they name a third, it might be Bryn Gatland - I'd have him ahead of Perofeta, but not McKenzie.
Boltiest of bolters for the midfield, whom I haven't watched much but has impressed me every time I have - is Bailyn Sullivan. I'm only writing him down, to look like a guru if he gets picked!
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively
I don't understand the thinking that it's too late to bring in new talent when there's nearly 20 tests before the RWC.
Does it not concern you at all - the fact that (ever since Wayne Smith left after the 2017 season) there has been zero effort made to establish an established backrow, midfield, back-three or halves combination?
Ian Foster has continually opted for rotation and 'options' over cohesion and established combinations. For some reason he ignored the fact that our success from 2011-2015 was largely based on the fact that we had an established XV that everyone knew. There were no surprises and for important tests everyone knew what our best team was.
If I've said it once I've said it a million times, selection is Ian Foster's biggest flaw. It's his Achilles heel. He is obsessed with experimentation and with rotation. He is obsessed with keeping all of his players happy. I suspect part of this is because he knows he's a dud coach and any whiff of a player rebellion would be the end of his career.
What Ian Foster should be focused on is building cohesion and combinations. Ma's Nonu and Conrad Smith didn't become the world's best midfield overnight. They gelled over many seasons of playing together. The Read/McCaw/Kaino backrow would never have been as good if players were constantly rotated in and out, and uncertain of their positions. They became the best in the world over time because they had time to grow and gel as a trio.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively
I don't understand the thinking that it's too late to bring in new talent when there's nearly 20 tests before the RWC.
Does it not concern you at all - the fact that (ever since Wayne Smith left after the 2017 season) there has been zero effort made to establish an established backrow, midfield, back-three or halves combination?
it does worry me (although there have been injuries that have cause problems)....but...i kind of think we're past the point where an established partnership can really become world class before the RWC...and so maybe its time to fall back on pure form. Its not like goodhue is nonu and you make room for him...so for me if someone like TUJ can remain injury free for the rest of the season and continue to look impressive in a misfiring highlanders backline...maybe he gets a shot
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris-B Isn’t Sullivan a center? We have centers up the wazoo. 2nd five is the problem.
Sullivan is a 13/wing. At this point of the comp, a better alternative to Ennor, basically. I can't see it happening.
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Also good to remember that they will select fewer players than last year, so they'll already have to leave out some players.
If they're going to add newbies, that means they'll have to leave out even more players from last year.
Some scratchings for the Steinlager Series will be easy, because players have gone overseas (Pat T, Dmac) or are injured (Frizell?, ALB?), others not so much (no matter how much the opinionated Ferner likes to think this or that player should or should not be in the squad).
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
It's probably too late at this stage to bring in TUJ, Nankivell, while Tupaea & Fainga'anuku (both just 22) aren't anywhere near the finished product yet, as both are woeful defensively
I don't understand the thinking that it's too late to bring in new talent when there's nearly 20 tests before the RWC.
Does it not concern you at all - the fact that (ever since Wayne Smith left after the 2017 season) there has been zero effort made to establish an established backrow, midfield, back-three or halves combination?
Ian Foster has continually opted for rotation and 'options' over cohesion and established combinations. For some reason he ignored the fact that our success from 2011-2015 was largely based on the fact that we had an established XV that everyone knew. There were no surprises and for important tests everyone knew what our best team was.
If I've said it once I've said it a million times, selection is Ian Foster's biggest flaw. It's his Achilles heel. He is obsessed with experimentation and with rotation. He is obsessed with keeping all of his players happy. I suspect part of this is because he knows he's a dud coach and any whiff of a player rebellion would be the end of his career.
What Ian Foster should be focused on is building cohesion and combinations. Ma's Nonu and Conrad Smith didn't become the world's best midfield overnight. They gelled over many seasons of playing together. The Read/McCaw/Kaino backrow would never have been as good if players were constantly rotated in and out, and uncertain of their positions. They became the best in the world over time because they had time to grow and gel as a trio.
@kiwi_expat said in All Blacks 2022:
For some reason he ignored the fact that our success from 2011-2015 was largely based on the fact that we had an established XV that everyone knew
Every man and his dog in NZ could have picked the XV from 2011 - 2015. The team picked itself.
I understand the rationale behind picking and sticking with a settled midfield but part of the issue is no one has grabbed the jerseys and say 'pick me'. Goodhue looked ok at 12 in 2020 I thought but there were plenty that thought he was limited there and shoe-horned in from 13.
Teams around the world are having success with physical 12s - think Kerevi, Danty, Aki etc. NZ rugby has a guy who fits that mould in TUJ who is standing out in a poor backline - if he stays fit and in form you pick him - not think 'well it's too late'.
