All Blacks 2022
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Here what you say but 2nd five is void.
Depends on how Fozzie is looking at it.
He's arguably got Goodhue, Havili and Tupaea available as 2nd fives (and maybe Jordie floating around) and only Rieko and ALB (injured) at centre.
I'm with those who think Ennor hasn't shown enough - but, he'll be in the frame - along with Big Leicester, the Umaga-Js, and maybe people like Sullivan and Nankivell.
Fozzie needs to decide where he's going to use Jack at the RWC and then he needs to play him there this year as a specialist and not fuck about moving him back and forth between 12 and 13.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Here what you say but 2nd five is void.
Depends on how Fozzie is looking at it.
He's arguably got Goodhue, Havili and Tupaea available as 2nd fives (and maybe Jordie floating around) and only Rieko and ALB (injured) at centre.
I'm with those who think Ennor hasn't shown enough - but, he'll be in the frame - along with Big Leicester, the Umaga-Js, and maybe people like Sullivan and Nankivell.
Fozzie needs to decide where he's going to use Jack at the RWC and then he needs to play him there this year as a specialist and not fuck about moving him back and forth between 12 and 13.
Although I was not a fan of Goodhue at 12, I really think he and Rieko could form a formidable combination in the centres. It seems to me their games compliment each other, I hope they get plenty of opportunities together.
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R.I hasn’t done enough for me to warrant a 13 test jersey in the big games. I’d rather see him work his magic in the 11 jersey because he’s probably still the best left winger we have in this country.
I wouldn’t mind seeing JB get a crack at 12 with Goodhue in the 13 jersey. Chuck Reece on the wing and then Jordan at fullback to tear shit up.
In the halves I would go with the experience of AS and BB.
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R.I hasn’t done enough for me to warrant a 13 test jersey in the big games. I’d rather see him work his magic in the 11 jersey because he’s probably still the best left winger we have in this country.
I wouldn’t mind seeing JB get a crack at 12 with Goodhue in the 13 jersey. Chuck Reece on the wing and then Jordan at fullback to tear shit up.
In the halves I would go with the experience of AS and BB.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn’t mind seeing JB get a crack at 12 with Goodhue in the 13 jersey
Didn't you say in another thread that you wanted the Hurricanes to remain largely unchanged? So that's a PUJ/Sullivan combo.
For Jordie to play 12 for the AB's he really needs to play there for the Hurricanes for the rest of the year -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn’t mind seeing JB get a crack at 12 with Goodhue in the 13 jersey
Didn't you say in another thread that you wanted the Hurricanes to remain largely unchanged? So that's a PUJ/Sullivan combo.
For Jordie to play 12 for the AB's he really needs to play there for the Hurricanes for the rest of the year@Duluth said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
I wouldn’t mind seeing JB get a crack at 12 with Goodhue in the 13 jersey
Didn't you say in another thread that you wanted the Hurricanes to remain largely unchanged? So that's a PUJ/Sullivan combo.
For Jordie to play 12 for the AB's he really needs to play there for the Hurricanes for the rest of the yearThat’s purely because we don’t have any other fullbacks on tour with the Canes so that’s probably the best makeup for that particular game.
Ideally I would love to see a Canes backline with Jordie at 12, PUJ at 13 and Sullivan at 14, but that’s probably not going to happen when Love and Moorby are injured.
For the All Blacks I would love to see JB get a run at 12 outside his bro, he certainly has all the attributes to do the job.
I’ve wanted Jordie at 12 for years and have mentioned it plenty of times in the past, he just needs time in the jersey.
In saying that I’m also a fan of the U-J twins so wouldn’t mind them getting a crack either.
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Fucking hilarious
Ioane hasn't done enough to play centre despite playing there over 2 seasons for the Blues, and excelling there. And playing well there in a couple of actual big tests
Barrett, however, has done enough to play test rugby at 12 after playing there for about a hundred minutes
Never change you Hurricanes nuffies
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Fucking hilarious
Ioane hasn't done enough to play centre despite playing there over 2 seasons for the Blues, and excelling there. And playing well there in a couple of actual big tests
Barrett, however, has done enough to play test rugby at 12 after playing there for about a hundred minutes
Never change you Hurricanes nuffies
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like a winger playing centre. There are better options south of the Bombays mate, he can jump back on the wing where he belongs.
I'd prefer more nouse in the midfield and someone that can distribute under pressure, obviously Leinert-Brown is injured so the next obvious centre option with proven experience is Goodhue.
What's your solution at 12 then? Keep Havili there? Chuck RTS into the fire? Pleeeasse. Jordie was a gun at 12 through his 20s so it's not the most out of the box selection.
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@broughie said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer Here what you say but 2nd five is void.
Depends on how Fozzie is looking at it.
He's arguably got Goodhue, Havili and Tupaea available as 2nd fives (and maybe Jordie floating around) and only Rieko and ALB (injured) at centre.
I'm with those who think Ennor hasn't shown enough - but, he'll be in the frame - along with Big Leicester, the Umaga-Js, and maybe people like Sullivan and Nankivell.
Fozzie needs to decide where he's going to use Jack at the RWC and then he needs to play him there this year as a specialist and not fuck about moving him back and forth between 12 and 13.
@Chris-B well he’s been out for a year and he’s played one game. Goodhue is too slow to be center and he was showed up before he was injured. None of the other guys you’ve mentioned really stand out as second five and as far as direct running Barrett is probably the best at it. Havilli doesn’t cut it. Foster is not the best one to navigate this dilemma we have.
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On pure current form, the best midfield would be TUJ - RI. However, I doubt Foster will give the 12 jersey to TUJ.
@cgrant said in All Blacks 2022:
On pure current form, the best midfield would be TUJ - RI. However, I doubt Foster will give the 12 jersey to TUJ.
TUJ has only played a couple of part games at 12, although I thought he looked bloody good in one game, I hardly seen enough to see him close to ABs.
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Fucking hilarious
Ioane hasn't done enough to play centre despite playing there over 2 seasons for the Blues, and excelling there. And playing well there in a couple of actual big tests
Barrett, however, has done enough to play test rugby at 12 after playing there for about a hundred minutes
Never change you Hurricanes nuffies
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Fucking hilarious
Ioane hasn't done enough to play centre despite playing there over 2 seasons for the Blues, and excelling there. And playing well there in a couple of actual big tests
Barrett, however, has done enough to play test rugby at 12 after playing there for about a hundred minutes
Never change you Hurricanes nuffies
Well we see other picking TUJ too, I agree let's actually see a bit of rugby from players before we pick them. I reckon Ioane would have to have 13 tied up at this stage.
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Also good to remember that they will select fewer players than last year, so they'll already have to leave out some players.
If they're going to add newbies, that means they'll have to leave out even more players from last year.
Some scratchings for the Steinlager Series will be easy, because players have gone overseas (Pat T, Dmac) or are injured (Frizell?, ALB?), others not so much (no matter how much the opinionated Ferner likes to think this or that player should or should not be in the squad).
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
If they're going to add newbies, that means they'll have to leave out even more players from last year.
This got me thinking.
How many players has Foster actually moved on from since 2019?
Liam Coltman.
Vaea Fifita
Atu MoliOtherwise Cullen Grace and Alex Hodgman come to mind (but they may come back in the frame this year).
That's an awfully short list and guys who were mostly very much fringe anyway.
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
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Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
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Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
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@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like a winger playing centre. There are better options south of the Bombays mate, he can jump back on the wing where he belongs.
I'd prefer more nouse in the midfield and someone that can distribute under pressure, obviously Leinert-Brown is injured so the next obvious centre option with proven experience is Goodhue.
What's your solution at 12 then? Keep Havili there? Chuck RTS into the fire? Pleeeasse. Jordie was a gun at 12 through his 20s so it's not the most out of the box selection.
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
If they're going to add newbies, that means they'll have to leave out even more players from last year.
This got me thinking.
How many players has Foster actually moved on from since 2019?
Liam Coltman.
Vaea Fifita
Atu MoliOtherwise Cullen Grace and Alex Hodgman come to mind (but they may come back in the frame this year).
That's an awfully short list and guys who were mostly very much fringe anyway.
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
Last year was unique for the size of the squad selected due to the covid circumstances. Foster has been quoted in saying there will be a number of players omitted from last year's squad, using the props as an example (8 reduced to 6 players).
Hopefully this is true:
"This year, I think you'll see us focus more on cementing combinations and having a bit more continuity in how we select the group."
Said on the breakdown the squad will be 36, and could drop to 34 based on injured players not being available. Seems to me that means few if any new players if they aren't even going to replace injured players.
Déjà vu all over again. Like the lead up to the RWC, new plans, tactics, powder dry, etc. But this time all the trust has long gone, once bitten, twice shy. No way I'm giving foster the benefit of the doubt
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
yeah, in all reality the squad kinda picks itself. It's the next step that looks wrong.
I personally would leave a few out this year, especially as they are the perfect guys to bring in if injury hits, because they are already mostly up to speed.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
So far Foster has simply not shown a willingness to make tough calls.
I don't think he's needed to. The bunch who were at their use-by dates pretty much cleaned themselves out.
I really only have a few minor quibbles with Fozzie's squad selections so far. Largely, I think he's got that pretty much on the button - including a few like Vaai and Lord who looked left field.
yeah, in all reality the squad kinda picks itself. It's the next step that looks wrong.
I personally would leave a few out this year, especially as they are the perfect guys to bring in if injury hits, because they are already mostly up to speed.
@mariner4life Yep - most of us could pretty much pick the squad - especially if we got lucky with a few wildcards (and some overseer put in a rule that we had to pick at least 80% of last year's squad to stop complete madness).
Yeah - there's a handful who should be left out this year and will have to be if injuries don't remove a decent chunk of contenders.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life he's also looked completely lost in some big tests aswell. Super Rugby isn't test rugby and despite his best efforts he still looks like
Has the discussion moved to Ardie?
Oh do you mean the All Blacks player of the year last year?
