All Blacks 2022
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@mariner4life Let's guess a 23 based on players who weren't selected in the initial AB squad last year.
1 Hodgman
2 Taukei'aho
3 Sione Mafileo
4 Strange
5 Cowley-Tuioti
6 Robinson
7 Lachlan Boshier
8 Sowakula
9 Perenara
10 Perofeta/Ioane
11 Fainga'anuku
12 Nankivell/Faiane
13 Peter Umaga-Jensen
14 Telea
15 Sullivan16 Eklund
17 Ross
18 Jager
19 Goodhue/Dunshea
20 Sanders/Harmon
21 Hall
22 Hunt/Ioane/Perofeta/Black/Plummer
23 Stevenson -
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9. Great fitness, very good pass, knows how to put someone in a gap, brave defense.
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
It's a funny one.
He says "They’ve maybe got to be a bit more innovative, try something new, and try new tactics, some new game plans, because the same old thing isn't working any more."
But it's just as much the case that we have just become really shit at the "same old thing".
Our scrum is average and our forwards don't win collisions. We have average forward runners to bend the line. We barely ever attack the other teams lineout ball and we have never managed a rolling maul like our best opponents.
Our backs don't straighten the line, they crab across and rely on way too many box kicks. We mix and match our midfield as if we are deliberately trying to avoid developing combinations.
Innovation certainly has its place, but I reckon the same old thing still goes ok too if done right.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it. -
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Now make this team for 2022 (Super rugby players not in the AB 36)
How many does 2007 win by? 40? 50?
Hamilton vs Bridge would be worth the ticket price alone.......
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
Now make this team for 2022 (Super rugby players not in the AB 36)
How many does 2007 win by? 40? 50?
Hamilton vs Bridge would be worth the ticket price alone.......
Their inevitable fuck-ups would probably cause more religious moments in the crowd than a Evangelical Christian Revival meeting
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.Me too Chris, and can't for life of me understand why it's not quite clear that's it hurt our game. Most players will say it.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Agreed he was a good player - similar player to Charlie Ngatai
What, are you saying there are TWO Gods now ?
Depends on if you consider Jesus God or the son of God? But I'm sure there can be both a Maori and Tongan Jesus.
TBH, while I thought Tuipulotou was a good player I never consider him to be at Jesus status.
I think he scored a try ages ago when he steamrolled Corne Krige nice and emphatically. That was pretty cool.
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 Agreed he was a good player - similar player to Charlie Ngatai
What, are you saying there are TWO Gods now ?
Depends on if you consider Jesus God or the son of God? But I'm sure there can be both a Maori and Tongan Jesus.
TBH, while I thought Tuipulotou was a good player I never consider him to be at Jesus status.
I think he scored a try ages ago when he steamrolled Corne Krige nice and emphatically. That was pretty cool.
Which Jesus again?
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.Me too Chris, and can't for life of me understand why it's not quite clear that's it hurt our game. Most players will say it.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.Me too Chris, and can't for life of me understand why it's not quite clear that's it hurt our game. Most players will say it.
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.Me too Chris, and can't for life of me understand why it's not quite clear that's it hurt our game. Most players will say it.
I'm with @Dan54 on this one; Saffers made sure we couldn't carry lightweights in our packs. They exposed non-physical players. I enjoyed them,a nd think we miss them.
Foster shares this view, and I just threw up a bit in my mouth
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.I think there are a few of us who have said it at different times. Regardless of winning percentages, it was good exposure to different styles, players, and touring more hostile environments.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
No I talking about the likes of (just an example) James Parsons, Bryn hall etc etc. are 2 that have reckoned he was best 6 early on, you know someone who actually plays and has played, I know it seems dumb to take any notice of people who actually tied up in game and watch/play it as jobs when we got a forum to take notice of.
I enjoy listening to that podcast but with one player current and another player not very long retired they don't critique too many players. There is a lot of praise thrown around - Bryn Hall's team of the week is typically stacked with Crusaders and Parsons is very Blues-centric as he's so tight with the whole squad. They asked them to pick their AB teams in an earlier podcast this season and the general theme was that there's so much depth that it's going to be hard to pick anyone - they ended up just naming all the contenders without really giving a strong take one way or the other.
For example they talked about the midfield and went on about how great the depth was - well last year in tight tests the midfield was found wanting on numerous occasions - but there was no reference to that at all - just supposedly how many options they have.
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
They asked them to pick their AB teams in an earlier podcast this season and the general theme was that there's so much depth that it's going to be hard to pick anyone - they ended up just naming all the contenders without really giving a strong take one way or the other.
In the loose forwards, that's pretty much true. There's a heck of a lot of class players around. It's getting the combination right which is key
For example they talked about the midfield and went on about how great the depth was - well last year in tight tests the midfield was found wanting on numerous occasions - but there was no reference to that at all - just supposedly how many options they have.
Even without hindsight, that was seriously going out on a limb
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9. Great fitness, very good pass, knows how to put someone in a gap, brave defense.
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9. Great fitness, very good pass, knows how to put someone in a gap, brave defense.
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
Finding a tall prop to play number 8 would be cool too now that Carl Hayman has retired.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9. Great fitness, very good pass, knows how to put someone in a gap, brave defense.
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
I'd have thought Christie would be 2nd off the rank. He slotted into Test rugby pretty easily - not spectacular but really solid. He seems to be a wee bit quicker this year for the Blues as well.
DMac is a frustrating selection right now. Where do you use him best? He was outstanding in 2018 but he's 27 so possibly too late to change to 9 now. I'd have him in my 23 as a utility player or the bloke you bring on to exploit the opposition in the last 20.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
I'd have thought Christie would be 2nd off the rank. He slotted into Test rugby pretty easily - not spectacular but really solid. He seems to be a wee bit quicker this year for the Blues as well.
DMac is a frustrating selection right now. Where do you use him best? He was outstanding in 2018 but he's 27 so possibly too late to change to 9 now. I'd have him in my 23 as a utility player or the bloke you bring on to exploit the opposition in the last 20.
@Victor-Meldrew yeah, Christie has put his hand up. Fair call
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.I think there are a few of us who have said it at different times. Regardless of winning percentages, it was good exposure to different styles, players, and touring more hostile environments.
@gt12 said in All Blacks 2022:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Dan54 said in All Blacks 2022:
I reckoned we lost a lot without SA in Super , and that is what TT is suggesting.
Yep I been saying that for a long time.
But others on here don’t see it.I think there are a few of us who have said it at different times. Regardless of winning percentages, it was good exposure to different styles, players, and touring more hostile environments.
Yes totally agree.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9. Great fitness, very good pass, knows how to put someone in a gap, brave defense.
I know it's probably too late in his career, but in a world where TJ is still the 2nd cab off the rank for us, I'm not entirely sure it's not worth reconsidering...
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9.
I've said he should have been a scrum half.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9.
I've said he should have been a scrum half.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9.
I've said he should have been a scrum half.
Yep, he would've been incredibly beneficial towards our 9 depth & could've filled a gaping hole after Tawera Kerr-Barlow left.
Instead, his talent was wasted in the back three, having to compete with countless other quality fullbacks (B.Barrett, J.Barrett, B.Smith, Dagg, Havili, etc.)
We needed his skills & attributes utlized at 9, not fullback - where we had ample test-suited 15's who were bigger/taller.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
It's a funny one.
He says "They’ve maybe got to be a bit more innovative, try something new, and try new tactics, some new game plans, because the same old thing isn't working any more."
But it's just as much the case that we have just become really shit at the "same old thing".
Our scrum is average and our forwards don't win collisions. We have average forward runners to bend the line. We barely ever attack the other teams lineout ball and we have never managed a rolling maul like our best opponents.
Our backs don't straighten the line, they crab across and rely on way too many box kicks. We mix and match our midfield as if we are deliberately trying to avoid developing combinations.
Innovation certainly has its place, but I reckon the same old thing still goes ok too if done right.
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks 2022:
It's a funny one.
He says "They’ve maybe got to be a bit more innovative, try something new, and try new tactics, some new game plans, because the same old thing isn't working any more."
But it's just as much the case that we have just become really shit at the "same old thing".
Our scrum is average and our forwards don't win collisions. We have average forward runners to bend the line. We barely ever attack the other teams lineout ball and we have never managed a rolling maul like our best opponents.
Our backs don't straighten the line, they crab across and rely on way too many box kicks. We mix and match our midfield as if we are deliberately trying to avoid developing combinations.
Innovation certainly has its place, but I reckon the same old thing still goes ok too if done right.
I agree with most of that, except the midfield comments.
The way I look at it is Havili doesn’t make the squad if Goodhue and ALB are fit. In an ideal world we have ALB, Goodhue and Ioane playing as our midfielders and all of them have racked up a heap of tests together.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9.
I've said he should have been a scrum half.
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@voodoo said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew Both DM and RM ( and BB) are players that can really thrive with front foot ball. If they don't have a platform, they get shut down. Every pivot in the game is the same. The French halves look great behind their pack, cripes even Gibson-Park looks like a world beater behind the Irish pack. Sort out the platform first and formost.
While that's true, RM looks way more flaky than BB when he's not getting front-foot ball.
With Jordie a safe option at 15, I'd prefer to have BB at 10 with either RM or DMac providing cover in the 23.
My two biggest concerns with our two 1st 5s at test level, RM crabs across field aimlessly at times and BB’s kicking game is very poor (distance wise and accuracy).
I’m not a huge fan of the game plan that they are either running or being asked to run at AB level.
I still haven’t lost faith in either but both can be exciting but also cause heart in mouth moments too.
DMac at 10, no thanks. I like DMac at fullback, but he could also be a very good winger (waits for incoming)
Think I've said a few times on here with no support (nothing new there), but I still think DMac could have been an outstanding test #9.
I've said he should have been a scrum half.
Not sure he has shown much to make me think he should be a 9, I not really into if you a shortie you immediately get looked at as a 9. Or like the idea that we go ok we got plenty of back 3 etc so lets move him to 9, I think you have to play 9 for a fair while to learn game there, and would of probably not got much rugby etc.
