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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    Bovidae
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    #1193

    The sideline commentator seemed to be downplaying the seriousness of Tupou's injury on Friday night.

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    • BovidaeB Offline
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      Bovidae
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      #1194

      Were any judiciary hearings held last night?

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      • StargazerS Offline
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        Stargazer
        wrote on last edited by
        #1195

        Now official, with kick-off time (FJT = NZT):

        https://twitter.com/SuperRugby/status/1521316252630675457

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        • BovidaeB Bovidae

          Were any judiciary hearings held last night?

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          #1196

          @Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:

          Were any judiciary hearings held last night?

          Aren't they Tues night? I don't know but haven't seen anything.

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            Bovidae
            wrote on last edited by Bovidae
            #1197

            Hamish Dalzell gets 3 weeks.
            Ray Nu'u gets 4 weeks.

            On the news last night it was mentioned that Barrett is the latest to get a 1 week reduction. :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:

            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300579726/super-rugby-pacific-crusaders-lock-hamish-dalzell-banned-for-three-weeks

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            • BovidaeB Bovidae

              Hamish Dalzell gets 3 weeks.
              Ray Nu'u gets 4 weeks.

              On the news last night it was mentioned that Barrett is the latest to get a 1 week reduction. :man_shrugging_light_skin_tone:

              https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/300579726/super-rugby-pacific-crusaders-lock-hamish-dalzell-banned-for-three-weeks

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              Stargazer
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              #1198

              @Bovidae Yep, that was in Barrett's decision. It isn't in Nu'u's second one.

              For completeness, because it's not mentioned in the article. Samipeni Finau was issued a warning.

              "Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles

              and additional evidence, including from the player and submissions from his legal representative,

              Aaron Lloyd, the Foul Play Review Committee found the foul play did not breach the red card

              threshold."

              "With respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a

              Warning as it was close to, but did not breach the red card threshold. The Foul Play Review

              Committee deemed that the significant mitigating factors, including the tackler having lowered his

              body height to effect the tackle, mitigated the sanction to a Warning."

              "The player is therefore free to resume playing.”

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              • StargazerS Stargazer

                @Bovidae Yep, that was in Barrett's decision. It isn't in Nu'u's second one.

                For completeness, because it's not mentioned in the article. Samipeni Finau was issued a warning.

                "Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles

                and additional evidence, including from the player and submissions from his legal representative,

                Aaron Lloyd, the Foul Play Review Committee found the foul play did not breach the red card

                threshold."

                "With respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a

                Warning as it was close to, but did not breach the red card threshold. The Foul Play Review

                Committee deemed that the significant mitigating factors, including the tackler having lowered his

                body height to effect the tackle, mitigated the sanction to a Warning."

                "The player is therefore free to resume playing.”

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                Crucial
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                #1199

                @Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                @Bovidae Yep, that was in Barrett's decision. It isn't in Nu'u's second one.

                For completeness, because it's not mentioned in the article. Samipeni Finau was issued a warning.

                "Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles

                and additional evidence, including from the player and submissions from his legal representative,

                Aaron Lloyd, the Foul Play Review Committee found the foul play did not breach the red card

                threshold."

                "With respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a

                Warning as it was close to, but did not breach the red card threshold. The Foul Play Review

                Committee deemed that the significant mitigating factors, including the tackler having lowered his

                body height to effect the tackle, mitigated the sanction to a Warning."

                "The player is therefore free to resume playing.”

                So basically Jacobson was correct in querying the ref who had placed way to much emphasis on irrelevant factors. Saying that Finau’s situation was more dangerous than the earlier game decision because he (legally) came out of the defensive line was ridiculous.
                The refs have well prescribed guidelines for mitigating and exacerbating factors and doing your job is not in either.

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                  Winger
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                  #1200

                  I don't know if the coaching are worse overall than in the past or not. But Holland seems to be struggling big time but Canes have had poor head coaches in the fairly recent past. And starting out. Boyd was VG but in part he was lucky to have Plumtree as an assistant.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/new-zealand-s-teams-are-getting-worse-and-a-good-deal-of-that-is-down-to-coaching/ar-AAWTyUR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bf2a464334fa44f496e9ed7e42144e21

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                  • WingerW Winger

                    I don't know if the coaching are worse overall than in the past or not. But Holland seems to be struggling big time but Canes have had poor head coaches in the fairly recent past. And starting out. Boyd was VG but in part he was lucky to have Plumtree as an assistant.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/sports/other/new-zealand-s-teams-are-getting-worse-and-a-good-deal-of-that-is-down-to-coaching/ar-AAWTyUR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bf2a464334fa44f496e9ed7e42144e21

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                    Kiwiwomble
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                    #1201

                    @Winger i don't completely disagree, we put players in too early...just because Lomu could play with men doesn't make everyone lomu and NZR is becoming more and more a closed shop, in every aspect, coaching, players, everything and everyone already in that shop talking up everyone else

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                    • StargazerS Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1202

                      Not sure how to interpret this.

                      https://www.instagram.com/p/CdMgs2hBMv5/

                      freedomvahaakolo

                      Rugby is a fickle business. Painful and unfair things happen to us all and it’s okay to feel sad or frustrated because it shows you care.

                      When a situation continues to be detrimental to your mental health and well-being, you have to find the courage to get out - even if it means reviewing your dreams and starting from the ground up again. I am grateful to the boys who have come to war with me off the field and kept me going 👊🏾

                      I am excited about the challenge of the next chapter. My body is healthy. My mind is at peace. I got an awesome family. What more do I need ❤️

                      He's playing club rugby in Dunedin tomorrow:

                      https://www.instagram.com/p/CdMYrWNvgXU/

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                        antipodean
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1203

                        https://twitter.com/SuperRugby/status/1522705468547686400

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                        • BovidaeB Bovidae

                          Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                          The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

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                          kiwi_expat
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                          #1204

                          @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                          Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                          The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                          It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

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                            @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                            Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                            The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                            It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

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                            #1205

                            @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                            @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                            Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                            The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                            It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                            Big assumption

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                              @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                              @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                              Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                              The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                              It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                              Big assumption

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                              Chris
                              wrote on last edited by Chris
                              #1206

                              @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                              @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                              @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                              Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                              The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                              It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                              Big assumption

                              Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                              Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                              Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

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                              • ChrisC Chris

                                @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                                The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                                It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                                Big assumption

                                Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                                Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                                Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

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                                taniwharugby
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1207

                                @Chris Brumbies have a pretty favourable draw too, Highlanders was in Melbourne, Chiefs and MP away, rest at home.

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                                • ChrisC Chris

                                  @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                  @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                  @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                  Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                                  The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                                  It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                                  Big assumption

                                  Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                                  Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                                  Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

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                                  Kirwan
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1208

                                  @Chris said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                  @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                  @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                  @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                  Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                                  The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                                  It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                                  Big assumption

                                  Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                                  Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                                  Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

                                  This has been a real improvement this year for the comp, many more of the games are up for grabs.

                                  The Brumbies are not going to be a walkover for any team in the comp, especially at home. Tahs have improved massively this year. A lot more entertaining

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                                  • KirwanK Kirwan

                                    @Chris said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                                    The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                                    It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                                    Big assumption

                                    Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                                    Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                                    Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

                                    This has been a real improvement this year for the comp, many more of the games are up for grabs.

                                    The Brumbies are not going to be a walkover for any team in the comp, especially at home. Tahs have improved massively this year. A lot more entertaining

                                    ChrisC Online
                                    ChrisC Online
                                    Chris
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1209

                                    @Kirwan said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    @Chris said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                    Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                                    The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                                    It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                                    Big assumption

                                    Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                                    Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                                    Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

                                    This has been a real improvement this year for the comp, many more of the games are up for grabs.

                                    The Brumbies are not going to be a walkover for any team in the comp, especially at home. Tahs have improved massively this year. A lot more entertaining

                                    Yep great for the Comp it needed the shot in the arm,Interesting comp this season.

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                                    • ChrisC Chris

                                      @Kirwan said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @Chris said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                                      The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                                      It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                                      Big assumption

                                      Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                                      Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                                      Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

                                      This has been a real improvement this year for the comp, many more of the games are up for grabs.

                                      The Brumbies are not going to be a walkover for any team in the comp, especially at home. Tahs have improved massively this year. A lot more entertaining

                                      Yep great for the Comp it needed the shot in the arm,Interesting comp this season.

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1210

                                      @Chris said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @Kirwan said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @Chris said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @Machpants said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @kiwi_expat said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      @Bovidae said in Chiefs vs Brumbies:

                                      Hopefully a few more players like Retallick, Ioane and Weber are back on deck this weekend or next, maybe even Stevenson. McMillan really needs to decide on his best back three from here on, and must realise that Gatland and Trask can't start together.

                                      The Chiefs have played the 3 best Aust teams to date so as long as they win their remaining 3 games should secure 4th position and a home QF. That said, their away record is much better than their home record this season.

                                      It looks increasingly likely that Kiwi teams are going to end up occupying positions 1-2 & 4-6, this assuming Reds/Brumbies lose to both the Crusaders & Blues in their remaining fixtures.

                                      Big assumption

                                      Yeah a lot of water under the Bridge before that happens.
                                      Crusaders have to beat the Brumbies in Canberra so do the Blues.
                                      Canes have to beat the Warratahs in Sydney all tough games.

                                      This has been a real improvement this year for the comp, many more of the games are up for grabs.

                                      The Brumbies are not going to be a walkover for any team in the comp, especially at home. Tahs have improved massively this year. A lot more entertaining

                                      Yep great for the Comp it needed the shot in the arm,Interesting comp this season.

                                      Next year when we can mix up the games against Oz instead of having them all in a block will be an improvement as well.

                                      Moving to top 6 would improve thinks as well. A top 8 from 12 is stupid.

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                                        wrote on last edited by Stargazer
                                        #1211

                                        Not having Covid disrupt the comp would the biggest improvement, next year.

                                        Cancellation of games and franchises having to swap players or call in their U19s has had a major impact this year. It certainly has made comp "interesting", but not better.

                                        Unfortunately, we don't know whether that bloody virus is done with us, yet.

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                                          Not sure how to interpret this.

                                          https://www.instagram.com/p/CdMgs2hBMv5/

                                          freedomvahaakolo

                                          Rugby is a fickle business. Painful and unfair things happen to us all and it’s okay to feel sad or frustrated because it shows you care.

                                          When a situation continues to be detrimental to your mental health and well-being, you have to find the courage to get out - even if it means reviewing your dreams and starting from the ground up again. I am grateful to the boys who have come to war with me off the field and kept me going 👊🏾

                                          I am excited about the challenge of the next chapter. My body is healthy. My mind is at peace. I got an awesome family. What more do I need ❤️

                                          He's playing club rugby in Dunedin tomorrow:

                                          https://www.instagram.com/p/CdMYrWNvgXU/

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                                          #1212

                                          @Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2022:

                                          Not sure how to interpret this.

                                          https://www.instagram.com/p/CdMgs2hBMv5/

                                          freedomvahaakolo

                                          Rugby is a fickle business. Painful and unfair things happen to us all and it’s okay to feel sad or frustrated because it shows you care.

                                          When a situation continues to be detrimental to your mental health and well-being, you have to find the courage to get out - even if it means reviewing your dreams and starting from the ground up again. I am grateful to the boys who have come to war with me off the field and kept me going 👊🏾

                                          I am excited about the challenge of the next chapter. My body is healthy. My mind is at peace. I got an awesome family. What more do I need ❤️

                                          He's playing club rugby in Dunedin tomorrow:

                                          https://www.instagram.com/p/CdMYrWNvgXU/

                                          yeah, saw that over the weekend and really didn;t know what to take from it, no clarification in the comments either

                                          cant help but think he would have been a better option than gregory on the wing

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