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    Mackerzzzz
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    World cup lineup:

    I know it's a while out, but I like doing pointless squads...

    1. Moody?,Hogman?, Norris?

    2. S Taukei'aho

    3. O Tu'ungafasi

    4. B Retallick

    5. S Whitelock

    6. T Vaii (personally think he is the future at six)

    7. S Cane (c)

    8. A Savea

    9. A Smith

    10. B Barrett

    11. C Clarke

    12. J Barrett

    13. R Ioane

    14. S Reece

    15. W Jordan

    16. C Taylor

    17. No idea. Can we steal Antonio from the French? He is Kiwi so...

    18. Is it to soon for the mighty Williams?

    19. S Barrett

    20. D Papalii

    21. F Fakatava

    22. R Mo'unga

    23. L Fainga'anuku or RTS

    Biggest weaknesses are props, and possibly second five.

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      Canes4life
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      I’ve got a feeling old mate Foster is gearing up for a J Barrett / R Ioane midfield combo this year. Whether that happens straight away remains to be seen but I do think we will see it at some point.

      It also allows Jordan to make the fullback jersey his own.

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      • No QuarterN No Quarter

        My 2c..

        I've got Rieko as one of the best rugby players in the world, every single team would give their left testicle to have him in their starting lineup at either 11 or 13. Low error rate, strong tackler and fucking lethal on attack. Absolutely world class.

        I've also got Aaron Smith as the best halfback bar none. Every 10 around dreams of playing outside him just for the extra space he gives with his pass alone, without mentioning his game awareness and great option taking. The ABs always look threatening with him at 9.

        Jordie and Jordan are both right up there at 14 and 15. Jordie solid as a rock at the back, strong tackler, strong runner and a fantastic kicking game to boot. Jordan looks like he's going to end up an AB great alongside the likes of Cully, he's just freakish with ball in hand and can break open any test with 1/4 of an opportunity.

        Our starting backline is actually stupidly good. It's our forwards where we are struggling a bit - two past greats in Whitelock and Retallick in the twilight of their careers without anyone new really stamping their mark to put them out to pasture. Same in the front row, some decent options but nobody really dominating and screaming pick me. Though Samisoni has future great written all over him but early days yet.

        Akira has the potential to be great, but needs to be more consistent. Dalton is a future great but again early days. Ardie is great at what he does, but is being played out of position affecting the balance of our loose trio.

        We have loads of talent and some of the worlds best sprinkled through the team, we just need a gameplan that actually plays to our strengths and we'll be extremely difficult to beat.

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        Canes4life
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        • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

          I’ve got a feeling old mate Foster is gearing up for a J Barrett / R Ioane midfield combo this year. Whether that happens straight away remains to be seen but I do think we will see it at some point.

          It also allows Jordan to make the fullback jersey his own.

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          #1316

          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:

          I’ve got a feeling old mate Foster is gearing up for a J Barrett / R Ioane midfield combo this year. Whether that happens straight away remains to be seen but I do think we will see it at some point.

          It also allows Jordan to make the fullback jersey his own.

          He commented a few weeks back that he sees Jordie as a fullback didn't he?

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          • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

            With Fakatava unlikely to have his eligibility sorted by the Irish series, barring injury you'd have to think the 3rd halfback spot will come down to either Weber or Perenara (behind Smith and Christie). Will Weber be able to show form coming back from injury or do they go with Perenara?

            If Weber gets some form back they could pick Weber and run Perenara in the Maori ABs (Ratima seems like a good selection for Maori ABs).

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            Victor Meldrew
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            @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

            Will Weber be able to show form coming back from injury or do they go with Perenara?

            I think we need to look to the future and use the 3rd slot to grow the cattle rather than stick with TJP, particularly as Christie is a more than capable AS understudy.. Roigard and/or Ratima?

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            • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

              @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

              Will Weber be able to show form coming back from injury or do they go with Perenara?

              I think we need to look to the future and use the 3rd slot to grow the cattle rather than stick with TJP, particularly as Christie is a more than capable AS understudy.. Roigard and/or Ratima?

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              Grooter
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              #1318

              @Victor-Meldrew it will be a day of elation when Folau Fakatava is eligible to play for the All Blacks, hopefully that day comes sooner rather than later🙂

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              • Victor MeldrewV Victor Meldrew

                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                Will Weber be able to show form coming back from injury or do they go with Perenara?

                I think we need to look to the future and use the 3rd slot to grow the cattle rather than stick with TJP, particularly as Christie is a more than capable AS understudy.. Roigard and/or Ratima?

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                Crucial
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                #1319

                @Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:

                @KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:

                Will Weber be able to show form coming back from injury or do they go with Perenara?

                I think we need to look to the future and use the 3rd slot to grow the cattle rather than stick with TJP, particularly as Christie is a more than capable AS understudy.. Roigard and/or Ratima?

                Ratima is having a cracking debut season. Has shoved Roe out of the way at the Chiefs and has Weber in his sights.
                Reminds me a bit of TKB in his prime.

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                • M Mackerzzzz

                  World cup lineup:

                  I know it's a while out, but I like doing pointless squads...

                  1. Moody?,Hogman?, Norris?

                  2. S Taukei'aho

                  3. O Tu'ungafasi

                  4. B Retallick

                  5. S Whitelock

                  6. T Vaii (personally think he is the future at six)

                  7. S Cane (c)

                  8. A Savea

                  9. A Smith

                  10. B Barrett

                  11. C Clarke

                  12. J Barrett

                  13. R Ioane

                  14. S Reece

                  15. W Jordan

                  16. C Taylor

                  17. No idea. Can we steal Antonio from the French? He is Kiwi so...

                  18. Is it to soon for the mighty Williams?

                  19. S Barrett

                  20. D Papalii

                  21. F Fakatava

                  22. R Mo'unga

                  23. L Fainga'anuku or RTS

                  Biggest weaknesses are props, and possibly second five.

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                  nzzp
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                  #1320

                  Biggest weaknesses are props, and possibly second five.

                  Only if you ignore the form of our locks at international level. I'd love to be wrong, but they are shadows of their former world class selves

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                  • J junior

                    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

                    I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation

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                    MN5
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                    #1321

                    @junior said in All Blacks 2022:

                    @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

                    I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation

                    Here it is. You’re welcome

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                    • M Mackerzzzz

                      World cup lineup:

                      I know it's a while out, but I like doing pointless squads...

                      1. Moody?,Hogman?, Norris?

                      2. S Taukei'aho

                      3. O Tu'ungafasi

                      4. B Retallick

                      5. S Whitelock

                      6. T Vaii (personally think he is the future at six)

                      7. S Cane (c)

                      8. A Savea

                      9. A Smith

                      10. B Barrett

                      11. C Clarke

                      12. J Barrett

                      13. R Ioane

                      14. S Reece

                      15. W Jordan

                      16. C Taylor

                      17. No idea. Can we steal Antonio from the French? He is Kiwi so...

                      18. Is it to soon for the mighty Williams?

                      19. S Barrett

                      20. D Papalii

                      21. F Fakatava

                      22. R Mo'unga

                      23. L Fainga'anuku or RTS

                      Biggest weaknesses are props, and possibly second five.

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                      number9
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                      #1322

                      @Mackerzzzz biggest weakness is the Coaching Staff. No one knows what the hell they are doing.

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                      • F Frank

                        @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                        I’ve got a feeling old mate Foster is gearing up for a J Barrett / R Ioane midfield combo this year. Whether that happens straight away remains to be seen but I do think we will see it at some point.

                        It also allows Jordan to make the fullback jersey his own.

                        He commented a few weeks back that he sees Jordie as a fullback didn't he?

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                        Canes4life
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                        #1323

                        @Frank did he? I just find it strange that the Canes are all of a sudden giving Jordie big minutes at 12 when he’s rock solid at 15. Surely that’s messaging from the AB coaches.

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                        • Canes4lifeC Canes4life

                          @Frank did he? I just find it strange that the Canes are all of a sudden giving Jordie big minutes at 12 when he’s rock solid at 15. Surely that’s messaging from the AB coaches.

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                          Crucial
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                          #1324

                          @Canes4life said in All Blacks 2022:

                          @Frank did he? I just find it strange that the Canes are all of a sudden giving Jordie big minutes at 12 when he’s rock solid at 15. Surely that’s messaging from the AB coaches.

                          He’s not getting big minutes at the Canes still is he? They tried a few things and will probably still move the cattle around.
                          Foster was specifically asked about Jordie at twelve and he answer was that he was one of the ABs best last year playing at fullback so he’s not sure why he would go looking to move him.

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                            KiwiMurph
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                            Yeah given Fozzie's very lukewarm comments towards Jordie at 12 I don't think the AB coaches were behind the shift. Canes have been shifting their midfield around all season haven't they trying to find a spark? Almost a different combination every game?

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                            • MN5M MN5

                              @junior said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

                              I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation

                              Here it is. You’re welcome

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                              Kiwiwomble
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                              #1326

                              @MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @junior said in All Blacks 2022:

                              @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

                              I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation

                              Here it is. You’re welcome

                              how good was that, just seeing them get on the outside of their man, fight for space to run support and actual free the wing

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                              • MN5M MN5

                                @junior said in All Blacks 2022:

                                @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

                                I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation

                                Here it is. You’re welcome

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                                chimoaus
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                                #1327

                                @MN5 How good was Conrad in setting that up though.

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                                • MN5M MN5

                                  @junior said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  @Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:

                                  I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation

                                  Here it is. You’re welcome

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                                  Tim
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                                  #1328

                                  @MN5 How good were those passes.

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                                    MN5
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                                    #1329

                                    How good was Hosea Gear when he was in the mood to be good ?

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                                      Tim
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                                      #1330

                                      Also, you forget that Conrad Smith had good acceleration for taking an outside break.

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                                        KiwiMurph
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                                        #1331

                                        https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/10/second-nz-side-set-to-shadow-all-blacks-for-foreseeable-future/

                                        New Zealand Rugby are in the midst of creating an NZ A or a second NZ side to shadow the All Blacks from 2022 onwards.
                                        
                                        With a huge breadth of players vying for a spot in the national squad, administrators believe that a secondary side will enable enhanced experience and playing time at the highest level for those who miss out on All Blacks selection.
                                        
                                        Former All Black Jeff Wilson broke the news on SENZ.
                                        
                                        Wilson is a huge supporter of the concept, believing that the addition of a secondary top-level team will change the mindset of selectors, and will inevitably aid the All Blacks in their preparation for the 2023 Rugby World Cup.
                                        
                                        “I would say this, NZ Rugby … they’re looking at a New Zealand A, or a second NZ side playing a number of games this year,” Wilson said on SENZ’s Super South.
                                        
                                        “I think that group is going to be critical, because there’s going to be a lot of guys who have worn the All Black jersey in the last 18 months who may miss out, and they’re going to get really important rugby.
                                        
                                        “There’s going to be another tier, which is going to be really well coached and have a number of games I believe this year.
                                        
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                                        • KiwiMurphK KiwiMurph

                                          https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/05/10/second-nz-side-set-to-shadow-all-blacks-for-foreseeable-future/

                                          New Zealand Rugby are in the midst of creating an NZ A or a second NZ side to shadow the All Blacks from 2022 onwards.
                                          
                                          With a huge breadth of players vying for a spot in the national squad, administrators believe that a secondary side will enable enhanced experience and playing time at the highest level for those who miss out on All Blacks selection.
                                          
                                          Former All Black Jeff Wilson broke the news on SENZ.
                                          
                                          Wilson is a huge supporter of the concept, believing that the addition of a secondary top-level team will change the mindset of selectors, and will inevitably aid the All Blacks in their preparation for the 2023 Rugby World Cup.
                                          
                                          “I would say this, NZ Rugby … they’re looking at a New Zealand A, or a second NZ side playing a number of games this year,” Wilson said on SENZ’s Super South.
                                          
                                          “I think that group is going to be critical, because there’s going to be a lot of guys who have worn the All Black jersey in the last 18 months who may miss out, and they’re going to get really important rugby.
                                          
                                          “There’s going to be another tier, which is going to be really well coached and have a number of games I believe this year.
                                          
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                                          #1332

                                          @KiwiMurph If that happens, it will be interesting to see whether NZR are going to designate this team as it's official national 2nd XV under World Rugby's Regulations (which means players will be captured by playing for this team).

                                          Also, who's going to coach this team. Will one of the assistant coaches coach this team, or will they hand the gig to someone outside the current coaching set-up. Could be a good job for Robertson, preparing him for a smooth end-of-2023 takeover. 😉

                                          Edit: if they don't designate this team as its official 2nd XV, they can field Fakatava!

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