All Blacks 2022
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 How good was Conrad in setting that up though.
That's what happens when you have a world class centre that can distribute effectively.
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@KiwiMurph If that happens, it will be interesting to see whether NZR are going to designate this team as it's official national 2nd XV under World Rugby's Regulations (which means players will be captured by playing for this team).
Also, who's going to coach this team. Will one of the assistant coaches coach this team, or will they hand the gig to someone outside the current coaching set-up. Could be a good job for Robertson, preparing him for a smooth end-of-2023 takeover.
Edit: if they don't designate this team as its official 2nd XV, they can field Fakatava!
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph If that happens, it will be interesting to see whether NZR are going to designate this team as it's official national 2nd XV under World Rugby's Regulations (which means players will be captured by playing for this team).
Also, who's going to coach this team. Will one of the assistant coaches coach this team, or will they hand the gig to someone outside the current coaching set-up. Could be a good job for Robertson, preparing him for a smooth end-of-2023 takeover.
Edit: if they don't designate this team as its official 2nd XV, they can field Fakatava!
Twood be interesting if Robertson did become coach. He would prolly beat this current side anyho
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do people like the idea of a 2xv? wont it just mean seeing even less of these good players at NPC level for example, making our structure even more top heavy, even more of a closed shop? how much harder is it going to be for a young player to come through if there is twice as many people ahead of him already in the "system"?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@FakatavaFuture Robertson never plays favourites (he's made some tough decisions in the past), so he'll go for the best available.
Agree. I recall him unceremoniously dropping Crockett from the 23 before the 2018 final, which would've been his 200th (and last ever) Crusaders match, but Razor apruptly ended his pro career on 199 caps..
Robertson said it was the toughest conversation he's ever had and Crockett was in tears apparently.
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do people like the idea of a 2xv? wont it just mean seeing even less of these good players at NPC level for example, making our structure even more top heavy, even more of a closed shop? how much harder is it going to be for a young player to come through if there is twice as many people ahead of him already in the "system"?
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@Kiwiwomble I don't think it will be parallel to the Rugby Championship, exactly because I don't think they want to take more players out of NPC. During Northern Tour/after NPC is far more likely.
@Stargazer i hope your right, i just always kind of think these things are funny, we hear a lot about players saying they play too many games and thats at least one of the reasons we dont get a full 14 team round robin NPC....but we we always seem squeeze in these kinds of things
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@Stargazer i hope your right, i just always kind of think these things are funny, we hear a lot about players saying they play too many games and thats at least one of the reasons we dont get a full 14 team round robin NPC....but we we always seem squeeze in these kinds of things
@Kiwiwomble Some players may miss NPC finals ... that has happened before. Not ideal, but better than missing the entire NPC.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@FakatavaFuture Robertson never plays favourites (he's made some tough decisions in the past), so he'll go for the best available.
Agree. I recall him unceremoniously dropping Crockett from the 23 before the 2018 final, which would've been his 200th (and last ever) Crusaders match, but Razor apruptly ended his pro career on 199 caps..
Robertson said it was the toughest conversation he's ever had and Crockett was in tears apparently.
@Asterik6 said in All Blacks 2022:
Robertson said it was the toughest conversation he's ever had and Crockett was in tears apparently.
Very un Jesus-like, though.
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@Asterik6 That's not completely true. Crockett did get to 200 but the rest of it is correct.
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2022:
@Asterik6 That's not completely true. Crockett did get to 200 but the rest of it is correct.
Yep.
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@junior said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation
Here it is. You’re welcome
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation
Here it is. You’re welcome
You are a gentleman and a scholar
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From Liam Napier in the Herald:
The Herald understands Fakatava's convoluted eligibility scenario is again under consideration from World Rugby.
As it stands, Tongan-born Fakatava is ineligible for the All Blacks until December, despite living in New Zealand since the age of 16.
Qualification via residency does not start until a player turns 18 but Fakatava has since been the victim of World Rugby's residency change from three to five years, the unfortunate timing of his injury and further Covid complications.
Had Fakatava been fit last year, he would almost certainly have made his All Blacks debut.
Behind the scenes, New Zealand officials are seeking to rectify Fakatava's anomaly – possibly within the next month - in the hope common sense will prevail.
There are no guarantees Fakatava will get the green light before December but whenever he does become eligible, TJ Perenara is likely to be most vulnerable.
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From Liam Napier in the Herald:
The Herald understands Fakatava's convoluted eligibility scenario is again under consideration from World Rugby.
As it stands, Tongan-born Fakatava is ineligible for the All Blacks until December, despite living in New Zealand since the age of 16.
Qualification via residency does not start until a player turns 18 but Fakatava has since been the victim of World Rugby's residency change from three to five years, the unfortunate timing of his injury and further Covid complications.
Had Fakatava been fit last year, he would almost certainly have made his All Blacks debut.
Behind the scenes, New Zealand officials are seeking to rectify Fakatava's anomaly – possibly within the next month - in the hope common sense will prevail.
There are no guarantees Fakatava will get the green light before December but whenever he does become eligible, TJ Perenara is likely to be most vulnerable.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation
Here it is. You’re welcome
You are a gentleman and a scholar
@junior said in All Blacks 2022:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
I can't believe they didn't include Hosea Gear flattening Keith Earls in that compilation
Here it is. You’re welcome
You are a gentleman and a scholar
Everything but Marshall's commentary was awesome
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Squad of 36 isn't it? well I think the loose forward contingent should be Dalton, Akira, cane, sotutu, ardie, Todd's son & Mikaele-Tu'u..
@FakatavaFuture said in All Blacks 2022:
Squad of 36 isn't it? well I think the loose forward contingent should be Dalton, Akira, cane, sotutu, ardie, Todd's son & Mikaele-Tu'u..
How long do we have to wait for Matera to get eligibility
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Papali'i, Cane, Savea and Ioane are certainties. Sotutu, Blackadder, Robinson, Jacobson, MMT and Sowakula are going to compete for the remaining 2 (or 3 ?) spots.
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@cgrant Going by Foster's comments a few weeks back, Blackadder is probably a certainty, too.
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant Going by Foster's comments a few weeks back, Blackadder is probably a certainty, too.
Yes my guess would be
Papali'i, Cane, Savea and Ioane,Blackadder, and Sotutu or Vai'i so they can squeeze in Whitelock,Retallick,Barrett and Lord.
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Just going on from the Crusaders match thread what are the most important skills for the AB's props. Is it scrummaging first and foremost, speed to rucks, gainline metres, tackles, lineout, passing etc.
For me at the moment Ofa T seems to possess everything one would want in a modern day prop. Hodgeman is also in that mould. I wonder about the fitness and mobility of the big boys like Karl T, Nepo, De Groot etc.
I forget who posted it but those stats on the Super Rugby Props were very interesting with just how many rucks they hit, tackles etc etc. Are those stats available for this season so far?
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant Going by Foster's comments a few weeks back, Blackadder is probably a certainty, too.
Yes my guess would be
Papali'i, Cane, Savea and Ioane,Blackadder, and Sotutu or Vai'i so they can squeeze in Whitelock,Retallick,Barrett and Lord.
Or they take 6 LF with Sotutu and 5 Locks.@Chris said in All Blacks 2022:
@Stargazer said in All Blacks 2022:
@cgrant Going by Foster's comments a few weeks back, Blackadder is probably a certainty, too.
Yes my guess would be
Papali'i, Cane, Savea and Ioane,Blackadder, and Sotutu or Vai'i so they can squeeze in Whitelock,Retallick,Barrett and Lord.
Or they take 6 LF with Sotutu and 5 Locks.Probably something like that. The only wildcard is if they want cover for the Ioane role.
Cane, Papali’i & Blackadder play a similar role. As do Ardie and Sotutu. Do they look at Sowakula, Tu’u or (yuck) Frizell to backup Ioane? Probably not as I think they might use Dalton at 6 a bit this year
My guess is for the four loosies in the top 23: Cane/Ardie/Ioane/Papali’i (one of the Blues players on the bench)
Squad cover from Blackadder, Sotutu & Vaa’i
