NRL 2022
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I don't know much about league, so wonder how easy it is to change between positions on the field? I noticed that Leo Thompson is listed as a prop and used as a prop in the Knight's first rounds, but is now playing at lock. Is it correct to assume that the difference between league frontrowers and backrowers is smaller than in rugby?
@Stargazer Very little difference in the current ways team are set up between front row and the lock jersey. However the lock (13) should have better balls skills as is often used as a link player, hitting up but not taking the tackle and often passing behind. Edge backrowers 11, 12 are different and currently tend to be forwards that could play in the centers or ex centers, again generally breaking or creating gaps. Ironically given Leo's background he could probably play on the edge, but since he started at prop, playing at 13 would be good for him.
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@Stargazer Very little difference in the current ways team are set up between front row and the lock jersey. However the lock (13) should have better balls skills as is often used as a link player, hitting up but not taking the tackle and often passing behind. Edge backrowers 11, 12 are different and currently tend to be forwards that could play in the centers or ex centers, again generally breaking or creating gaps. Ironically given Leo's background he could probably play on the edge, but since he started at prop, playing at 13 would be good for him.
@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@Stargazer Very little difference in the current ways team are set up between front row and the lock jersey. However the lock (13) should have better balls skills as is often used as a link player, hitting up but not taking the tackle and often passing behind. Edge backrowers 11, 12 are different and currently tend to be forwards that could play in the centers or ex centers, again generally breaking or creating gaps. Ironically given Leo's background he could probably play on the edge, but since he started at prop, playing at 13 would be good for him.
yeah 8, 10, and 13 are just middle forwards really.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline.I don't agree with that it highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in our backline, however I agree with the rest. Its amazing how good a team can look if every player knows where they need to run in advance in a play. Most successful attacking raids do require decoys and halves calling plays, none of which looks like it is obviously happening well (if at all). The Storm who are the best at executing a plan, know what is required on almost every play, which makes average players look like world beaters. When they go to other teams they normally show how average they are.
Our offload execution has been poor as well. When we have tried to offload, I would suggest without knowing we probably lead the ineffective offload statistic. Coupled with the fact that we have not being doing many is a worry as tabled then that shows we are not not getting much second phase ball, which also shows the importance of getting the structured plays right.
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors. However one thing that seems inbred in this team over many years, is once you are losing by a bit, throw in the towel. That is always disappointing.
Lack of execution- of any play from all involved is my biggest pain point. I never see enough decoy runners on hardly any play which does not help our halves either, if you only have one obvious target, a play is easy to shut down. If everyone is not executing that then should reflect on coaching which above all.
A calm head like Tohu back may help some defensive structure issues, but he is not going to fix the rest.
@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline.I don't agree with that it highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in our backline, however I agree with the rest. Its amazing how good a team can look if every player knows where they need to run in advance in a play. Most successful attacking raids do require decoys and halves calling plays, none of which looks like it is obviously happening well (if at all). The Storm who are the best at executing a plan, know what is required on almost every play, which makes average players look like world beaters. When they go to other teams they normally show how average they are.
Our offload execution has been poor as well. When we have tried to offload, I would suggest without knowing we probably lead the ineffective offload statistic. Coupled with the fact that we have not being doing many is a worry as tabled then that shows we are not not getting much second phase ball, which also shows the importance of getting the structured plays right.
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors. However one thing that seems inbred in this team over many years, is once you are losing by a bit, throw in the towel. That is always disappointing.
Lack of execution- of any play from all involved is my biggest pain point. I never see enough decoy runners on hardly any play which does not help our halves either, if you only have one obvious target, a play is easy to shut down. If everyone is not executing that then should reflect on coaching which above all.
A calm head like Tohu back may help some defensive structure issues, but he is not going to fix the rest.
i think the run metres and the line breaks does show our guys aren't a serious danger, as even a structureless team can create linebreaks if they can beat a man (or just run through guys if you are Justin olam), but your point about our attacking structures was my shot at the coaches and the playmakers.
They way they quit as soon as it gets hard is damning.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline.I don't agree with that it highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in our backline, however I agree with the rest. Its amazing how good a team can look if every player knows where they need to run in advance in a play. Most successful attacking raids do require decoys and halves calling plays, none of which looks like it is obviously happening well (if at all). The Storm who are the best at executing a plan, know what is required on almost every play, which makes average players look like world beaters. When they go to other teams they normally show how average they are.
Our offload execution has been poor as well. When we have tried to offload, I would suggest without knowing we probably lead the ineffective offload statistic. Coupled with the fact that we have not being doing many is a worry as tabled then that shows we are not not getting much second phase ball, which also shows the importance of getting the structured plays right.
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors. However one thing that seems inbred in this team over many years, is once you are losing by a bit, throw in the towel. That is always disappointing.
Lack of execution- of any play from all involved is my biggest pain point. I never see enough decoy runners on hardly any play which does not help our halves either, if you only have one obvious target, a play is easy to shut down. If everyone is not executing that then should reflect on coaching which above all.
A calm head like Tohu back may help some defensive structure issues, but he is not going to fix the rest.
@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors.
Justin Morgan, who is in charge of the defence, was quoted before the Storm game as saying he was happy with the improvement in the defence. Great timing, of course.
One of the problems is how young and inexperienced the centres and back three are.
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
shamelessly stolen from elsewhere
Here's a few Warriors stats for the season to cheer us all up
- 16th in run metres
- 16th in offloads
- 16th in tackle breaks
- 16th in decoy runs
- 2nd most missed tackles
- 13th in line breaks, and 15th in line break assists.
Which is damning on the coaching staff, and the halves.
And highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in the backline.I don't agree with that it highlights the complete lack of attacking ability in our backline, however I agree with the rest. Its amazing how good a team can look if every player knows where they need to run in advance in a play. Most successful attacking raids do require decoys and halves calling plays, none of which looks like it is obviously happening well (if at all). The Storm who are the best at executing a plan, know what is required on almost every play, which makes average players look like world beaters. When they go to other teams they normally show how average they are.
Our offload execution has been poor as well. When we have tried to offload, I would suggest without knowing we probably lead the ineffective offload statistic. Coupled with the fact that we have not being doing many is a worry as tabled then that shows we are not not getting much second phase ball, which also shows the importance of getting the structured plays right.
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors. However one thing that seems inbred in this team over many years, is once you are losing by a bit, throw in the towel. That is always disappointing.
Lack of execution- of any play from all involved is my biggest pain point. I never see enough decoy runners on hardly any play which does not help our halves either, if you only have one obvious target, a play is easy to shut down. If everyone is not executing that then should reflect on coaching which above all.
A calm head like Tohu back may help some defensive structure issues, but he is not going to fix the rest.
i think the run metres and the line breaks does show our guys aren't a serious danger, as even a structureless team can create linebreaks if they can beat a man (or just run through guys if you are Justin olam), but your point about our attacking structures was my shot at the coaches and the playmakers.
They way they quit as soon as it gets hard is damning.
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
i think the run metres and the line breaks does show our guys aren't a serious danger, as even a structureless team can create linebreaks if they can beat a man (or just run through guys if you are Justin olam), but your point about our attacking structures was my shot at the coaches and the playmakers.
They way they quit as soon as it gets hard is damning.
Which is why I agreed with the rest of your points, we pretty much agree on the same weaknesses They dont show it, but I would suggest we are also the worst at six-agains, which leads to runs and run/metres. AFB is still one of the best in post contact metres but lacks support.
Do we have a star center ..no, but we have scored tries out wide through passing, so thats why I am not so harsh on their individual game breaking. If the forwards were providing second phase ball and the halves calling plays and players were running where they should, even average centres can look good. Its just not happening enough.
another halves cripple fight this week.. or we might look Cody look good for the first time, after the sh*t we have been serving up
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors.
Justin Morgan, who is in charge of the defence, was quoted before the Storm game as saying he was happy with the improvement in the defence. Great timing, of course.
One of the problems is how young and inexperienced the centres and back three are.
@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
Im surprised there doesn't seem to much emphasis on defence either, I know some of our backline is young but they are making a lot of basic errors.
Justin Morgan, who is in charge of the defence, was quoted before the Storm game as saying he was happy with the improvement in the defence. Great timing, of course.
One of the problems is how young and inexperienced the centres and back three are.
absolutely and not an easy position to get up to speed with quickly, clearly an oversight from management letting someone like Hiku go. Others not so much
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Either Robinson knows something we don't, or his man love for Brown is clouding his judgement
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We showed a bit of steel in the second half tonight. Four tries to one and we actually looked organised on both sides of the ball.
Panthers v Storm coming up. It’s been wet as up here in Brissy and I suspect this will be a defensive slog.
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We showed a bit of steel in the second half tonight. Four tries to one and we actually looked organised on both sides of the ball.
Panthers v Storm coming up. It’s been wet as up here in Brissy and I suspect this will be a defensive slog.
@ACT-Crusader said in NRL 2022:
We showed a bit of steel in the second half tonight. Four tries to one and we actually looked organised on both sides of the ball.
Panthers v Storm coming up. It’s been wet as up here in Brissy and I suspect this will be a defensive slog.
Too bad the game is won and lost over 2 halves....
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as the old saying goes
"you cannot stab a man in the back without getting behind him first"
The only reason we are a shout at play off football is because of how much the comp sucks.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
as the old saying goes
"you cannot stab a man in the back without getting behind him first"
The only reason we are a shout at play off football is because of how much the comp sucks.
Really?
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
as the old saying goes
"you cannot stab a man in the back without getting behind him first"
The only reason we are a shout at play off football is because of how much the comp sucks.
Really?
Eric Watson level mathematics?
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Storm getting embarrassed. A dominant performance from the Panthers. They have dominated possession and field position. Played the conditions better and nullified their forwards.
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interesting weekend. Not sure many picking the Broncos to smash Manly, Penrith to smash Melbourne, nor Canberra to smash Cronulla.
Roosters got themselves back on track as well.
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also, it appears the first coaching casualty will happen today, with the Dogs board meeting to discuss the coach
Trent Barrett is a proven failure coach, and a prime example of what i mean when i talk about the roundabout of failure that the shit clubs are on. Should never have been given another head coaching gig, and yet here we are.
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The vultures are circling outside Belmore and Trent was always in the conversation for first coach sacked. He is clearly someone who interviews well, has worked well as an assistant somewhere, but cant deliver as a head coach anywhere..reminds me of Kearney.
I did pick Melbourne to get beaten especially after Hughes ruled out. I suspected Penrith might bounce back after their loss to Parra. Did not expect the smashing though.
The cows starting to get a bit of momentum now, will be interesting to see how they go against the big teams. Cotter going from being an underused bench player to potential Origin player in a few weeks.
As for the warriors, jeez they are tough to support and even coming from 20 odd points down and with dropping the ball twice over the line almost came up with a win when they should not have even been close. Great to see Montoya back starting, one of the few who looked ok throughout. You do wonder how far Brown is away from Barrett though in terms of time remaining
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The vultures are circling outside Belmore and Trent was always in the conversation for first coach sacked. He is clearly someone who interviews well, has worked well as an assistant somewhere, but cant deliver as a head coach anywhere..reminds me of Kearney.
I did pick Melbourne to get beaten especially after Hughes ruled out. I suspected Penrith might bounce back after their loss to Parra. Did not expect the smashing though.
The cows starting to get a bit of momentum now, will be interesting to see how they go against the big teams. Cotter going from being an underused bench player to potential Origin player in a few weeks.
As for the warriors, jeez they are tough to support and even coming from 20 odd points down and with dropping the ball twice over the line almost came up with a win when they should not have even been close. Great to see Montoya back starting, one of the few who looked ok throughout. You do wonder how far Brown is away from Barrett though in terms of time remaining
@bayimports Brown can do one, and he can take pea hearted brain dead Shaun Johnson with him
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@bayimports Brown can do one, and he can take pea hearted brain dead Shaun Johnson with him
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@bayimports Brown can do one, and he can take pea hearted brain dead Shaun Johnson with him
Yeah he looked like he has not only given up but now thinks his only play is pass kicks, perhaps time to lets the 19 year old have a run, could not do much worse. The only time he has looked good this year is taking a clutch kick under pressure to win games. Even if some of those games the only reason the opposition were in them, were because of his errors
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@bayimports Brown can do one, and he can take pea hearted brain dead Shaun Johnson with him
Yeah he looked like he has not only given up but now thinks his only play is pass kicks, perhaps time to lets the 19 year old have a run, could not do much worse. The only time he has looked good this year is taking a clutch kick under pressure to win games. Even if some of those games the only reason the opposition were in them, were because of his errors
@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@bayimports Brown can do one, and he can take pea hearted brain dead Shaun Johnson with him
Yeah he looked like he has not only given up but now thinks his only play is pass kicks, perhaps time to lets the 19 year old have a run, could not do much worse. The only time he has looked good this year is taking a clutch kick under pressure to win games. Even if some of those games the only reason the opposition were in them, were because of his errors
field goals? good
basically everything else? very very badWon't run, can't organise, incredibly poor option taking, no defense. No way anyone else does worse, and just a smidge of enthusiasm from a young player might actually spark something.
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@bayimports Brown can do one, and he can take pea hearted brain dead Shaun Johnson with him
Yeah he looked like he has not only given up but now thinks his only play is pass kicks, perhaps time to lets the 19 year old have a run, could not do much worse. The only time he has looked good this year is taking a clutch kick under pressure to win games. Even if some of those games the only reason the opposition were in them, were because of his errors
field goals? good
basically everything else? very very badWon't run, can't organise, incredibly poor option taking, no defense. No way anyone else does worse, and just a smidge of enthusiasm from a young player might actually spark something.
@mariner4life don't disagree, surely the hammys arent that bad that he thinks he is now a lead foot? it certainly looks like he is cement feet out there which impacts almost every other decision he makes
